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Re: [TR] TR3 Oil Pan Leakage

To: William Brewer <billbrewer59@yahoo.com>, Triumph List <triumphs@autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 Oil Pan Leakage
From: Cliff Hansen <cliff_hansen@outlook.com>
Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2022 14:50:59 +0000
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Bill,

Following.

I replaced the pan gasket on my TR4A about a year ago. I carefully leveled =
the mating surface using a dolly then a file, new gasket with Permatex #2, =
and actually used a in-lb torque wrench. Before it leaked moderately from t=
he pan-to-block join. Now it leaks slooowly, accumulating a drop at almost =
every bolt head, even the bolts that don=92t pass into the interior of the =
engine. It=92s frustrating because I=92ve managed to solve every other leak=
.

Cliff


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Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2022 8:19 PM
Subject: [TR] TR3 Oil Pan Leakage

     I have been trying to get the oil pan to quit being so leaky for
over 30 years and two engine rebuilds now. I made sure that the bolt
holes in the pan are lower than the mounting surface. I check the pan
fit with a feeler gauge with no gasket. I get everything cleaned off. I
have tried Permatex, Aviation Permatex and Hylomar Blue. I have used the
recommended torques. Still slowly seeping and dripping over time. It
seems worse in the front that the rear and no the front aluminum sealing
block isn't stripped out.

      I have family members asking me not to bring the TR3 and Morgan
over to their houses because of the amount of drips.

      I have looking over the "Triumph Experience" website and it looks
like most owners there have thrown their hands up and given up. Either
that or the ones that say that they are drip free probably haven't
driven their cars much.

      I've considered CNC'ing a 3/8" steel mounting flange, welding that
to the top of the oil sump (the weld would seal on the inside) and then
torquing that sonofabitch down tight with permatex on it. No more
worrying about flange distortion.

      I've also considered making a sheet metal "catch box" that would
mount under the pan and completely enclose it to catch drips. It could
be held on with 4 bolts and removed/cleaned out at oil changes. I should
make a long aluminum drip pan that goes under the sump, rear seal and
transmission.

      Anyone ever get there TR2/3/4 oil pans to stay drip free?

      -Bill Brewer

      Morro Bay, CA

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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Bill,</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Following.</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">I replaced the pan gasket on my TR4A about a year ag=
o. I carefully leveled the mating surface using a dolly then a file, new ga=
sket with Permatex #2, and actually used a in-lb torque wrench. Before it l=
eaked moderately from the pan-to-block
 join. Now it leaks slooowly, accumulating a drop at almost every bolt head=
, even the bolts that don=92t pass into the interior of the engine. It=92s =
frustrating because I=92ve managed to solve every other leak.</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Cliff</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
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<b>Sent: </b>Thursday, July 28, 2022 8:19 PM<br>
<b>To: </b><a href=3D"mailto:triumphs@autox.team.net";>Triumph List</a><br>
<b>Subject: </b>[TR] TR3 Oil Pan Leakage</p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; I have been trying to get t=
he oil pan to quit being so leaky for
<br>
over 30 years and two engine rebuilds now. I made sure that the bolt <br>
holes in the pan are lower than the mounting surface. I check the pan <br>
fit with a feeler gauge with no gasket. I get everything cleaned off. I <br=
>
have tried Permatex, Aviation Permatex and Hylomar Blue. I have used the <b=
r>
recommended torques. Still slowly seeping and dripping over time. It <br>
seems worse in the front that the rear and no the front aluminum sealing <b=
r>
block isn't stripped out.<br>
<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; I have family members asking me not to bring=
 the TR3 and Morgan <br>
over to their houses because of the amount of drips.<br>
<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; I have looking over the &quot;Triumph Experi=
ence&quot; website and it looks <br>
like most owners there have thrown their hands up and given up. Either <br>
that or the ones that say that they are drip free probably haven't <br>
driven their cars much.<br>
<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; I've considered CNC'ing a 3/8&quot; steel mo=
unting flange, welding that <br>
to the top of the oil sump (the weld would seal on the inside) and then <br=
>
torquing that sonofabitch down tight with permatex on it. No more <br>
worrying about flange distortion.<br>
<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; I've also considered making a sheet metal &q=
uot;catch box&quot; that would <br>
mount under the pan and completely enclose it to catch drips. It could <br>
be held on with 4 bolts and removed/cleaned out at oil changes. I should <b=
r>
make a long aluminum drip pan that goes under the sump, rear seal and <br>
transmission.<br>
<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Anyone ever get there TR2/3/4 oil pans to st=
ay drip free?<br>
<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; -Bill Brewer<br>
<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Morro Bay, CA<br>
<br>
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