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I agree Chuck, I think it=E2=80=99s a flakey pump problem.
Rick
Sent from my iPhone
> On Jul 4, 2020, at 1:15 PM, crusaderchuck55--- via Spridgets <spridgets@au=
tox.team.net> wrote:
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> Alleged vapor lock?
> Try the pump overheated? Why venture this guess? My old tow vehicle was=
79 Chevy van the "L.B.1" ( Lust Bus 1). For what ever reason the mechanical=
fuel pump failed a number of times at the most inconvenient time! To fix t=
his I installed an AC Marine type tick-tick pump inline. What I experience=
d with this set up was while towing the race trailer in the Florida keys the=
electric pump overheated! The electromagnetic coil got so hot , it did no=
t properly do it's tick-tick with the gusto the designers intended. The pu=
mp was getting hot. No not excessive resistance , ambient temperature combi=
ned with the pumps "working " temperature. Replacing the pump with a new one=
proved that. =20
> What I am suspecting is your pump got hot and decided electrically to stop=
pumping. In a vapor lock state an e lectric pump should stay pumping again=
st a vapor lock yielding the pump sounding like the pump after it starts up a=
nd then builds pressure and the pump starts running against the built up pre=
ssure. Even my tick-tick pump ran.
> Chuck
> Just a thought on what or why?
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> Sent from my LG Mobile
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> ------ Original message------
> From: Tim Collins via Spridgets
> Date: Sat, Jul 4, 2020 8:40 AM
> To: Spridgets;
> Cc:
> Subject:[Spridgets] My car didn't start either - different reason.
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> Hi guys,
> Vapor Lock
> I was out for a ride yesterday in my 1966 Sprite to view damage caused by t=
he failure of two dams in my community. This meant driving through subdivisi=
ons at low speed. Also, I stopped for about 10 minutes (engine off) to talk t=
o an acquaintance about damage to his home. I had a little trouble restartin=
g the car, but it did start.=20
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> On the way home I stalled the engine at a stop light on a 4 lane artery (w=
ith center turn lane) and it wouldn't restart. Fortunately, traffic was ligh=
t and I had an opportunity to push the car into the service drive of a strip=
mall. There happened to be a tree/shade at the entrance so I stopped there a=
nd opened the hood and waited for the car to cool. (I suspected vapor lock.)=
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> The (new) fuel pump (Airtex E88016E) wasn't "tick - ticking", but I attrib=
uted that to the plunger not being able to trigger the electronics beca use o=
f the fuel lock. I reminded myself that banging on the pump wouldn't work be=
cause there are no mechanical points in this pump.=20
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> The air temp was near 90 deg. and I was parked on an asphalt lot - it was h=
ot! I found my way home with the help of a good Samaritan. (I'm one of the l=
ast people in the world not to own a cell phone) Several hours later I went b=
ack with my wife - the Sprite still wouldn't start. I called a flatbed tow t=
ruck ($70 - about a 3 mile haul ) and got the car home. At home I turned the=
key and heard the familiar tick, tick. Shortly thereafter, I tried starting=
the car. After a few tries things got cleared out and it started.=20
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> Troubleshooting
> The fuel in the tank is from last Fall (could have been a Winter blend) Sh=
ell V-Power NiTRO+ Premium. Probably too volatile for this heat. A fill up w=
ith Summer blend should help greatly. This is my #1 suspect for the cause of=
the problem.
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> I suspect that the vapor lock occurred either: 1) in the fue l bowls, 2) o=
r in the fuel filter (WIX 33031, metal can type), 3) or in the fuel line con=
necting the carbs (low chance) 4) or some combination of these. The fuel pum=
p is in a "cool" (factory) location so not a suspect. Fuel lines from the ta=
nk to carbs are in factory locations - away from the exhaust pipe.
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> The fuel filter is about the size of the float bowl on the SU carbs. I'm w=
ondering if the size is too large thus allowing heat soak while the fuel spe=
nds too much time in the filter? What do you think?
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> I should have walked to the grocery store in the strip mall and bought a g=
allon of water to try and cool the float bowls and fuel filter. Anyone had a=
ny success doing this?
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> Your thoughts??
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> ps: Someone stopped and said I needed a clothes pin on the fuel line. Evid=
ently some people believe in that as a fix. I can't imagine any science behi=
nd doing t hat.
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto">I agree Chuck, I think it=E2=80=99s a flake=
y pump problem.<div><br></div><div>Rick<br><br><div dir=3D"ltr">Sent from my=
iPhone</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br><blockquote type=3D"cite">On Jul 4, 2020, a=
t 1:15 PM, crusaderchuck55--- via Spridgets <spridgets@autox.team.net>=
wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr"=
>=EF=BB=BF
<div style=3D"font-size: 10pt;"><div dir=3D"auto">Alleged vapor lock?</d=
iv><div dir=3D"auto">Try the pump overheated? Why venture this guess?&=
nbsp; My old tow vehicle was 79 Chevy van the "L.B.1" ( Lust Bus 1). Fo=
r what ever reason the mechanical fuel pump failed a number of times at the m=
ost inconvenient time! To fix this I installed an AC Marine type=
tick-tick pump inline. What I experienced with this set up was w=
hile towing the race trailer in the Florida keys the electric pump overheate=
d! The electromagnetic coil got so hot , it did not properly do i=
t's tick-tick with the gusto the designers intended. The pump wa=
s getting hot. No not excessive resistance , ambient temperature combi=
ned with the pumps "working " temperature. Replacing the pump with a new one=
proved that. </div><div dir=3D"auto">What I am suspecting is yo=
ur pump got hot and decided electrically to stop pumping. In a vapor l=
ock state an e
lectric pump should stay pumping against a vapor lock yielding the pump sou=
nding like the pump after it starts up and then builds pressure and the pump=
starts running against the built up pressure. Even my tick-tick pump r=
an.</div><div dir=3D"auto">Chuck</div><div dir=3D"auto">Just a thought on wh=
at or why?</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div=
><div dir=3D"auto" style=3D"font-size:9pt;"><i>Sent from my LG Mobile</i></d=
iv></div></div><div style=3D"font-size: 10pt;"><div id=3D"LGEmailHeader" dir=
=3D"auto"><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">------ Original mess=
age------</div><div dir=3D"auto"><b>From: </b>Tim Collins via Spridgets<spri=
dgets@autox.team.net></spridgets@autox.team.net></div><div dir=3D"auto"><b>D=
ate: </b>Sat, Jul 4, 2020 8:40 AM</div><div dir=3D"auto"><b>To: </b>Spridget=
s;</div><div dir=3D"auto"><b>Cc: </b></div><div dir=3D"auto"><b>Subject:</b>=
[Spridgets] My car didn't start either - different reason.</div><div dir=3D"=
auto"><br></div></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><div c=3D"" lass=3D"gmail_default" st=
yle=3D"font-size:large">Hi guys,</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"=
font-size:large">Vapor Lock<br>I was out for a ride yesterday in my 1966 Spr=
ite to view damage caused by the failure of two dams in my community. This m=
eant driving through subdivisions at low speed. Also, I stopped for about 10=
minutes (engine off) to talk to an acquaintance about damage to his home. I=
had a little trouble restarting the car, but it did start. <br><br>On the w=
ay home I stalled the engine at a stop light on a 4 lane artery (with center=
turn lane) and it wouldn't restart. Fortunately, traffic was light and I ha=
d an opportunity to push the car into the service drive of a strip mall. The=
re happened to be a tree/shade at the entrance so I stopped there and opened=
the hood and waited for the car to cool. (I suspected vapor lock.)<br><br>T=
he (new) fuel pump (Airtex E88016E) wasn't "tick - ticking", but I attribute=
d that to the plunger not being able to trigger the electronics beca
use of the fuel lock. I reminded myself that banging on the pump wouldn't w=
ork because there are no mechanical points in this pump. <br><br>The air tem=
p was near 90 deg. and I was parked on an asphalt lot - it was hot! I found m=
y way home with the help of a good Samaritan. (I'm one of the last people in=
the world not to own a cell phone) Several hours later I went back with my w=
ife - the Sprite still wouldn't start. I called a flatbed tow truck ($70 - a=
bout a 3 mile haul ) and got the car home. At home I turned the key and hear=
d the familiar tick, tick. Shortly thereafter, I tried starting the car. Aft=
er a few tries things got cleared out and it started. <br><br>Troubleshootin=
g<br>The fuel in the tank is from last Fall (could have been a Winter blend)=
Shell V-Power NiTRO+ Premium. Probably too volatile for this heat. A fill u=
p with Summer blend should help greatly. This is my #1 suspect for the cause=
of the problem.<br><br>I suspect that the vapor lock occurred either: 1) in=
the fue
l bowls, 2) or in the fuel filter (WIX 33031, metal can type), 3) or in the=
fuel line connecting the carbs (low chance) 4) or some combination of these=
. The fuel pump is in a "cool" (factory) location so not a suspect. Fuel lin=
es from the tank to carbs are in factory locations - away from the exhaust p=
ipe.<br><br>The fuel filter is about the size of the float bowl on the SU ca=
rbs. I'm wondering if the size is too large thus allowing heat soak while th=
e fuel spends too much time in the filter? What do you think?<br><br>I shoul=
d have walked to the grocery store in the strip mall and bought a gallon of w=
ater to try and cool the float bowls and fuel filter. Anyone had any success=
doing this?<br><br>Your thoughts??</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D=
"font-size:large"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:=
large">ps: Someone stopped and said I needed a clothes pin on the fuel line.=
Evidently some people believe in that as a fix. I can't imagine any science=
behind doing t
hat.<br><br><br><br><br><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"fon=
t-size:large"><br></div></div>
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