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I'm wondering if here in the mid-Atlantic area (Virginia Beach), where the =
winters are relatively mild and the summers never reach the 100's, if we ha=
ve a consistent blend of fuels all year round.
H.
In a message dated 7/4/2020 2:03:29 PM Eastern Standard Time, refisk@charte=
rmi.net writes:
Howard,
Up here where it gets cold in the winter our gasoline is different in the d=
ifferent seasons. =C2=A0Additives are used to make for easier starting when=
the temp may be below zero for days on end. =C2=A0And then in the summer w=
hen we have crap Florida style weather they change the gas again. =C2=A0Bee=
n that way since they started putting lead in the gas 90 years ago. =C2=A0:=
-)
Rick
Sent from my iPhone
On Jul 4, 2020, at 1:16 PM, miniac7--- via Spridgets <spridgets@autox.team.=
net> wrote:
I can be of no help in diagnosing the problem but, I am chiming in to ask i=
f someone could please explain what this is about "winter blend" vs "summer=
blend" fuels.
I'm no spring chicken and I have been playing with LBC's since the late six=
ties but this is absolutely the first time ever that I am hearing about thi=
s.
Has my head been stuck in the sand for this long?
Howard
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ox.team.net writes:
Sent from my iPad
Begin forwarded message:
From: Alan <frogeye@cox.net>
Date: July 4, 2020 at 9:46:10 AM EDT
To: Tim Collins <thcollin@mtu.edu>
Subject: Re:=C2=A0 [Spridgets] My car didn't start either - different reaso=
n.
I use a glass Purolator fuel filter with changeable inner cartridge.Keep it=
away from the heat of thecmanifold.That allows a visual of gas color and f=
low including any bubbles as or if gas moves to the floatsThat might help t=
roubleshootAlan
Sent from my iPad
On Jul 4, 2020, at 9:15 AM, Tim Collins via Spridgets <spridgets@autox.team=
.net> wrote:
Hi guys,Vapor Lock
I was out for a ride yesterday in my 1966 Sprite to view damage caused by t=
he failure of two dams in my community. This meant driving through subdivis=
ions at low speed. Also, I stopped for about 10 minutes (engine off) to tal=
k to an acquaintance about damage to his home. I had a little trouble resta=
rting the car, but it did start.=20
On the way home I stalled the engine at a stop light on a 4 lane artery (wi=
th center turn lane) and it wouldn't restart. Fortunately, traffic was ligh=
t and I had an opportunity to push the car into the service drive of a stri=
p mall. There happened to be a tree/shade at the entrance so I stopped ther=
e and opened the hood and waited for the car to cool. (I suspected vapor lo=
ck.)
The (new) fuel pump (Airtex E88016E) wasn't "tick - ticking", but I attribu=
ted that to the plunger not being able to trigger the electronics because o=
f the fuel lock. I reminded myself that banging on the pump wouldn't work b=
ecause there are no mechanical points in this pump.=20
The air temp was near 90 deg. and I was parked on an asphalt lot - it was h=
ot! I found my way home with the help of a good Samaritan. (I'm one of the =
last people in the world not to own a cell phone) Several hours later I wen=
t back with my wife - the Sprite still wouldn't start. I called a flatbed t=
ow truck ($70 - about a 3 mile haul ) and got the car home. At home I turne=
d the key and heard the familiar tick, tick. Shortly thereafter, I tried st=
arting the car. After a few tries things got cleared out and it started.=20
Troubleshooting
The fuel in the tank is from last Fall (could have been a Winter blend) She=
ll V-Power NiTRO+ Premium. Probably too volatile for this heat. A fill up w=
ith Summer blend should help greatly. This is my #1 suspect for the cause o=
f the problem.
I suspect that the vapor lock occurred either: 1) in the fuel bowls, 2) or =
in the fuel filter (WIX 33031, metal can type), 3) or in the fuel line conn=
ecting the carbs (low chance) 4) or some combination of these. The fuel pum=
p is in a "cool" (factory) location so not a suspect. Fuel lines from the t=
ank to carbs are in factory locations - away from the exhaust pipe.
The fuel filter is about the size of the float bowl on the SU carbs. I'm wo=
ndering if the size is too large thus allowing heat soak while the fuel spe=
nds too much time in the filter? What do you think?
I should have walked to the grocery store in the strip mall and bought a ga=
llon of water to try and cool the float bowls and fuel filter. Anyone had a=
ny success doing this?
Your thoughts??
ps: Someone stopped and said I needed a clothes pin on the fuel line. Evide=
ntly some people believe in that as a fix. I can't imagine any science behi=
nd doing that.
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<div><span style=3D"font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 1=
0pt; color: #000000;">I'm wondering if here in the mid-Atlantic area (Virgi=
nia Beach), where the winters are relatively mild and the summers never rea=
ch the 100's, if we have a consistent blend of fuels all year round.</span>=
</div>
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0pt; color: #000000;">H.</span></div>
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<blockquote style=3D"padding-left: 5px; margin-left: 5px; border-left: blue=
2px solid;">
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<div>Howard,
<div><br></div>
<div>Up here where it gets cold in the winter our gasoline is different in =
the different seasons. Additives are used to make for easier starting=
when the temp may be below zero for days on end. And then in the sum=
mer when we have crap Florida style weather they change the gas again. &nbs=
p;Been that way since they started putting lead in the gas 90 years ago. &n=
bsp;:-)</div>
<div><br></div>
<div>Rick</div>
<div><br clear=3D"none">
<div dir=3D"ltr">Sent from my iPhone</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr"><br clear=3D"none">
<blockquote>On Jul 4, 2020, at 1:16 PM, miniac7--- via Spridgets <spridg=
ets@autox.team.net> wrote:<br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none"></blockq=
uote>
</div>
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<div class=3D"yiv5167908426userEdit" style=3D"font-family: arial, helvetica=
, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; color: #000000;">
<div><span style=3D"font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 1=
0pt; color: #000000;">I can be of no help in diagnosing the problem but, I =
am chiming in to ask if someone could please explain what this is about "wi=
nter blend" vs "summer blend" fuels.<br clear=3D"none"></span></div>
<div><br></div>
<div><span style=3D"font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 1=
0pt; color: #000000;">I'm no spring chicken and I have been playing with LB=
C's since the late sixties but this is absolutely the first time ever that =
I am hearing about this.</span></div>
<div><br></div>
<div><span style=3D"font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 1=
0pt; color: #000000;">Has my head been stuck in the sand for this long?</sp=
an></div>
<div><br></div>
<div><span style=3D"font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 1=
0pt; color: #000000;">Howard</span></div>
<div><br></div>
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<div><br></div>
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<div>In a message dated 7/4/2020 9:50:00 AM Eastern Standard Time, <a href=
=3D"mailto:spridgets@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noopener nore=
ferrer">spridgets@autox.team.net</a> writes:</div>
<div><br></div>
<div class=3D"yiv5167908426quotedReply">
<blockquote style=3D"padding-left: 5px; margin-left: 5px; border-left: blue=
2px solid;">
<div id=3D"yiv5167908426">
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Sent from my iPad</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr"><br clear=3D"none">Begin forwarded message:<br clear=3D"no=
ne"><br clear=3D"none"></div>
<blockquote>
<div dir=3D"ltr"><strong>From:</strong> Alan <frogeye@cox.net><br cle=
ar=3D"none"><strong>Date:</strong> July 4, 2020 at 9:46:10 AM EDT<br clear=
=3D"none"><strong>To:</strong> Tim Collins <thcollin@mtu.edu><br clea=
r=3D"none"><strong>Subject:</strong> <strong>Re: [Spridgets] My car d=
idn't start either - different reason.</strong><br clear=3D"none"><br clear=
=3D"none"></div>
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<blockquote>
<div dir=3D"ltr">I use a glass Purolator fuel filter with changeable inner =
cartridge.
<div>Keep it away from the heat of thecmanifold.</div>
<div>That allows a visual of gas color and flow including any bubbles as or=
if gas moves to the floats</div>
<div>That might help troubleshoot</div>
<div>Alan<br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none">
<div dir=3D"ltr">Sent from my iPad</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr"><br clear=3D"none">
<blockquote>On Jul 4, 2020, at 9:15 AM, Tim Collins via Spridgets <sprid=
gets@autox.team.net> wrote:<br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none"></block=
quote>
</div>
<blockquote>
<div dir=3D"ltr">
<div dir=3D"ltr">
<div class=3D"yiv5167908426gmail_default" style=3D"font-size: large;">Hi gu=
ys,</div>
<div class=3D"yiv5167908426gmail_default" style=3D"font-size: large;">Vapor=
Lock<br clear=3D"none">I was out for a ride yesterday in my 1966 Sprite to=
view damage caused by the failure of two dams in my community. This meant =
driving through subdivisions at low speed. Also, I stopped for about 10 min=
utes (engine off) to talk to an acquaintance about damage to his home. I ha=
d a little trouble restarting the car, but it did start. <br clear=3D"none"=
><br clear=3D"none">On the way home I stalled the engine at a stop light on=
a 4 lane artery (with center turn lane) and it wouldn't restart. Fortunate=
ly, traffic was light and I had an opportunity to push the car into the ser=
vice drive of a strip mall. There happened to be a tree/shade at the entran=
ce so I stopped there and opened the hood and waited for the car to cool. (=
I suspected vapor lock.)<br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none">The (new) fue=
l pump (Airtex E88016E) wasn't "tick - ticking", but I attributed that to t=
he plunger not being able to trigger the electronics because of the fuel lo=
ck. I reminded myself that banging on the pump wouldn't work because there =
are no mechanical points in this pump. <br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none=
">The air temp was near 90 deg. and I was parked on an asphalt lot - it was=
hot! I found my way home with the help of a good Samaritan. (I'm one of th=
e last people in the world not to own a cell phone) Several hours later I w=
ent back with my wife - the Sprite still wouldn't start. I called a flatbed=
tow truck ($70 - about a 3 mile haul ) and got the car home. At home I tur=
ned the key and heard the familiar tick, tick. Shortly thereafter, I tried =
starting the car. After a few tries things got cleared out and it started. =
<br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none">Troubleshooting<br clear=3D"none">The=
fuel in the tank is from last Fall (could have been a Winter blend) Shell =
V-Power NiTRO+ Premium. Probably too volatile for this heat. A fill up with=
Summer blend should help greatly. This is my #1 suspect for the cause of t=
he problem.<br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none">I suspect that the vapor l=
ock occurred either: 1) in the fuel bowls, 2) or in the fuel filter (WIX 33=
031, metal can type), 3) or in the fuel line connecting the carbs (low chan=
ce) 4) or some combination of these. The fuel pump is in a "cool" (factory)=
location so not a suspect. Fuel lines from the tank to carbs are in factor=
y locations - away from the exhaust pipe.<br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"no=
ne">The fuel filter is about the size of the float bowl on the SU carbs. I'=
m wondering if the size is too large thus allowing heat soak while the fuel=
spends too much time in the filter? What do you think?<br clear=3D"none"><=
br clear=3D"none">I should have walked to the grocery store in the strip ma=
ll and bought a gallon of water to try and cool the float bowls and fuel fi=
lter. Anyone had any success doing this?<br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"non=
e">Your thoughts??</div>
<div class=3D"yiv5167908426gmail_default" style=3D"font-size: large;"><br><=
/div>
<div class=3D"yiv5167908426gmail_default" style=3D"font-size: large;">ps: S=
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some people believe in that as a fix. I can't imagine any science behind do=
ing that.<br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none"><br clear=
=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none"></div>
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