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Howard,
Up here where it gets cold in the winter our gasoline is different in the di=
fferent seasons. Additives are used to make for easier starting when the te=
mp may be below zero for days on end. And then in the summer when we have c=
rap Florida style weather they change the gas again. Been that way since th=
ey started putting lead in the gas 90 years ago. :-)
Rick
Sent from my iPhone
> On Jul 4, 2020, at 1:16 PM, miniac7--- via Spridgets <spridgets@autox.team=
.net> wrote:
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> I can be of no help in diagnosing the problem but, I am chiming in to ask i=
f someone could please explain what this is about "winter blend" vs "summer b=
lend" fuels.
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> I'm no spring chicken and I have been playing with LBC's since the late si=
xties but this is absolutely the first time ever that I am hearing about thi=
s.
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> Has my head been stuck in the sand for this long?
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> Howard
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> In a message dated 7/4/2020 9:50:00 AM Eastern Standard Time, spridgets@au=
tox.team.net writes:
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> Sent from my iPad
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> Begin forwarded message:
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> From: Alan <frogeye@cox.net>
> Date: July 4, 2020 at 9:46:10 AM EDT
> To: Tim Collins <thcollin@mtu.edu>
> Subject: Re: [Spridgets] My car didn't start either - different reason.
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> I use a glass Purolator fuel filter with changeable inner cartridge.
> Keep it away from the heat of thecmanifold.
> That allows a visual of gas color and flow including any bubbles as or if g=
as moves to the floats
> That might help troubleshoot
> Alan
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> Sent from my iPad
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> On Jul 4, 2020, at 9:15 AM, Tim Collins via Spridgets <spridgets@autox.tea=
m.net> wrote:
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> Hi guys,
> Vapor Lock
> I was out for a ride yesterday in my 1966 Sprite to view damage caused by t=
he failure of two dams in my community. This meant driving through subdivisi=
ons at low speed. Also, I stopped for about 10 minutes (engine off) to talk t=
o an acquaintance about damage to his home. I had a little trouble restartin=
g the car, but it did start.=20
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> On the way home I stalled the engine at a stop light on a 4 lane artery (w=
ith center turn lane) and it wouldn't restart. Fortunately, traffic was ligh=
t and I had an opportunity to push the car into the service drive of a strip=
mall. There happened to be a tree/shade at the entrance so I stopped there a=
nd opened the hood and waited for the car to cool. (I suspected vapor lock.)=
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> The (new) fuel pump (Airtex E88016E) wasn't "tick - ticking", but I attrib=
uted that to the plunger not being able to trigger the electronics because o=
f the fuel lock. I reminded myself that banging on the pump wouldn't work be=
cause there are no mechanical points in this pump.=20
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> The air temp was near 90 deg. and I was parked on an asphalt lot - it was h=
ot! I found my way home with the help of a good Samaritan. (I'm one of the l=
ast people in the world not to own a cell phone) Several hours later I went b=
ack with my wife - the Sprite still wouldn't start. I called a flatbed tow t=
ruck ($70 - about a 3 mile haul ) and got the car home. At home I turned the=
key and heard the familiar tick, tick. Shortly thereafter, I tried starting=
the car. After a few tries things got cleared out and it started.=20
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> Troubleshooting
> The fuel in the tank is from last Fall (could have been a Winter blend) Sh=
ell V-Power NiTRO+ Premium. Probably too volatile for this heat. A fill up w=
ith Summer blend should help greatly. This is my #1 suspect for the cause of=
the problem.
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> I suspect that the vapor lock occurred either: 1) in the fuel bowls, 2) or=
in the fuel filter (WIX 33031, metal can type), 3) or in the fuel line conn=
ecting the carbs (low chance) 4) or some combination of these. The fuel pump=
is in a "cool" (factory) location so not a suspect. Fuel lines from the tan=
k to carbs are in factory locations - away from the exhaust pipe.
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> The fuel filter is about the size of the float bowl on the SU carbs. I'm w=
ondering if the size is too large thus allowing heat soak while the fuel spe=
nds too much time in the filter? What do you think?
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> I should have walked to the grocery store in the strip mall and bought a g=
allon of water to try and cool the float bowls and fuel filter. Anyone had a=
ny success doing this?
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> Your thoughts??
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> ps: Someone stopped and said I needed a clothes pin on the fuel line. Evid=
ently some people believe in that as a fix. I can't imagine any science behi=
nd doing that.
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto">Howard,<div><br></div><div>Up here where it=
gets cold in the winter our gasoline is different in the different seasons.=
Additives are used to make for easier starting when the temp may be b=
elow zero for days on end. And then in the summer when we have crap Fl=
orida style weather they change the gas again. Been that way since the=
y started putting lead in the gas 90 years ago. :-)</div><div><br></di=
v><div>Rick</div><div><br><div dir=3D"ltr">Sent from my iPhone</div><div dir=
=3D"ltr"><br><blockquote type=3D"cite">On Jul 4, 2020, at 1:16 PM, miniac7--=
- via Spridgets <spridgets@autox.team.net> wrote:<br><br></blockquote>=
</div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=BF<div class=3D"user=
Edit" style=3D"font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; c=
olor: #000000;">
<div><span style=3D"font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 10=
pt; color: #000000;">I can be of no help in diagnosing the problem but, I am=
chiming in to ask if someone could please explain what this is about "winte=
r blend" vs "summer blend" fuels.<br></span></div>
<div><br></div>
<div><span style=3D"font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 10=
pt; color: #000000;">I'm no spring chicken and I have been playing with LBC'=
s since the late sixties but this is absolutely the first time ever that I a=
m hearing about this.</span></div>
<div><br></div>
<div><span style=3D"font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 10=
pt; color: #000000;">Has my head been stuck in the sand for this long?</span=
></div>
<div><br></div>
<div><span style=3D"font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 10=
pt; color: #000000;">Howard</span></div>
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</div>
<div>In a message dated 7/4/2020 9:50:00 AM Eastern Standard Time, spridgets=
@autox.team.net writes:</div>
<div><br></div>
<div class=3D"quotedReply">
<blockquote style=3D"padding-left: 5px; margin-left: 5px; border-left: blue 2=
px solid;">
<div id=3D"yiv2296348382">
<div><br><br>
<div dir=3D"ltr">Sent from my iPad</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr"><br>Begin forwarded message:<br><br></div>
<blockquote>
<div dir=3D"ltr"><strong>From:</strong> Alan <frogeye@cox.net><br><str=
ong>Date:</strong> July 4, 2020 at 9:46:10 AM EDT<br><strong>To:</strong> Ti=
m Collins <thcollin@mtu.edu><br><strong>Subject:</strong> <strong>Re:&=
nbsp; [Spridgets] My car didn't start either - different reason.</strong><br=
><br></div>
</blockquote>
<blockquote>
<div dir=3D"ltr">I use a glass Purolator fuel filter with changeable inner c=
artridge.
<div>Keep it away from the heat of thecmanifold.</div>
<div>That allows a visual of gas color and flow including any bubbles as or i=
f gas moves to the floats</div>
<div>That might help troubleshoot</div>
<div>Alan<br><br>
<div dir=3D"ltr">Sent from my iPad</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr"><br>
<blockquote>On Jul 4, 2020, at 9:15 AM, Tim Collins via Spridgets <spridg=
ets@autox.team.net> wrote:<br><br></blockquote>
</div>
<blockquote>
<div dir=3D"ltr">
<div dir=3D"ltr">
<div class=3D"yiv2296348382gmail_default" style=3D"font-size: large;">Hi guy=
s,</div>
<div class=3D"yiv2296348382gmail_default" style=3D"font-size: large;">Vapor L=
ock<br>I was out for a ride yesterday in my 1966 Sprite to view damage cause=
d by the failure of two dams in my community. This meant driving through sub=
divisions at low speed. Also, I stopped for about 10 minutes (engine off) to=
talk to an acquaintance about damage to his home. I had a little trouble re=
starting the car, but it did start. <br><br>On the way home I stalled the en=
gine at a stop light on a 4 lane artery (with center turn lane) and it would=
n't restart. Fortunately, traffic was light and I had an opportunity to push=
the car into the service drive of a strip mall. There happened to be a tree=
/shade at the entrance so I stopped there and opened the hood and waited for=
the car to cool. (I suspected vapor lock.)<br><br>The (new) fuel pump (Airt=
ex E88016E) wasn't "tick - ticking", but I attributed that to the plunger no=
t being able to trigger the electronics because of the fuel lock. I reminded=
myself that banging on the pump wouldn't work because there are no mechanic=
al points in this pump. <br><br>The air temp was near 90 deg. and I was park=
ed on an asphalt lot - it was hot! I found my way home with the help of a go=
od Samaritan. (I'm one of the last people in the world not to own a cell pho=
ne) Several hours later I went back with my wife - the Sprite still wouldn't=
start. I called a flatbed tow truck ($70 - about a 3 mile haul ) and got th=
e car home. At home I turned the key and heard the familiar tick, tick. Shor=
tly thereafter, I tried starting the car. After a few tries things got clear=
ed out and it started. <br><br>Troubleshooting<br>The fuel in the tank is fr=
om last Fall (could have been a Winter blend) Shell V-Power NiTRO+ Premium. P=
robably too volatile for this heat. A fill up with Summer blend should help g=
reatly. This is my #1 suspect for the cause of the problem.<br><br>I suspect=
that the vapor lock occurred either: 1) in the fuel bowls, 2) or in the fue=
l filter (WIX 33031, metal can type), 3) or in the fuel line connecting the c=
arbs (low chance) 4) or some combination of these. The fuel pump is in a "co=
ol" (factory) location so not a suspect. Fuel lines from the tank to carbs a=
re in factory locations - away from the exhaust pipe.<br><br>The fuel filter=
is about the size of the float bowl on the SU carbs. I'm wondering if the s=
ize is too large thus allowing heat soak while the fuel spends too much time=
in the filter? What do you think?<br><br>I should have walked to the grocer=
y store in the strip mall and bought a gallon of water to try and cool the f=
loat bowls and fuel filter. Anyone had any success doing this?<br><br>Your t=
houghts??</div>
<div class=3D"yiv2296348382gmail_default" style=3D"font-size: large;"><br></=
div>
<div class=3D"yiv2296348382gmail_default" style=3D"font-size: large;">ps: So=
meone stopped and said I needed a clothes pin on the fuel line. Evidently so=
me people believe in that as a fix. I can't imagine any science behind doing=
that.<br><br><br><br><br><br></div>
<div class=3D"yiv2296348382gmail_default" style=3D"font-size: large;"><br></=
div>
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