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To mitigate the mess I've tak'en to using synthetic oil and =
changing it every 8,000 miles. Same mess, but less often=E2=80=A6
Best,
Bob
> On Jan 4, 2021, at 9:25 AM, Mark Andy <marka@maracing.com> wrote:
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> Howdy,
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> Re: controlling the flow of oil...
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> I have something like this:
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> =
https://www.amazon.com/Flexible-Discharging-Motorcycles-Automobiles-Equipm=
ent/dp/B08PFVR7CS/ref=3Dsr_1_9?dchild=3D1&keywords=3Doil+catch+director&qi=
d=3D1609770211&sr=3D8-9 =
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ment/dp/B08PFVR7CS/ref=3Dsr_1_9?dchild=3D1&keywords=3Doil+catch+director&q=
id=3D1609770211&sr=3D8-9>
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> Basically it's a formable sheet that you can bend into whatever shape, =
that you can set on crossmembers or whatever that would otherwise get =
soaked in oil.
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> The one I have works reasonably well for directing oil flow. Not sure =
how the one I linked to performs (I got mine probably 20 years ago), but =
it looks like the same thing?
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> Mark
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> On Mon, Jan 4, 2021 at 9:22 AM Brian Kemp <bk13@earthlink.net =
> I think they are horizontal for extra protection against ground =
impact. If they stuck out the bottom and you went off road or drove =
over a concrete stop in a parking lot, an oil drain plug could take a =
direct impact and perhaps have greater damage than hitting a frame rail =
or suspension bit.
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> I share your frustration with the oil filter location from my Honda =
Odyssey. Changing the filter caused oil to come down directly on the =
frame rail. My solution was to take a foot square of alluminum foil and =
make my own deflection device to catch all the oil and direct it to the =
drain pan.
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> Brian
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wrote:
>> OK, this is half vent and half "can someone explain why the heck do =
they do this to us?"=20
>>=20
>> I notice that just about EVERY modern's car drain plug drains =
horizontally and not vertically (where the plug come straight down from =
the bottom of the oil pan.) This make's oil changes SO much harder and =
messier.=20
>>=20
>> Then, I've even seen (2018 Ford F150) where it has a frame rail right =
in front of the oil hole and it splashes the nearly 2 GALLONS of oil =
everywhere. Then, the oil filter has a 'slide' under it to redirect the =
oil to the front of the frame, which is nice, EXCEPT that it doesn't go =
all the way back to under the oil filter! This means that some oil =
drips under the oil filter while more drips in front of the frame rail =
about 2 feet away (meaning no single oil pan can catch both.) I'm =
seeing this in more and more cars that have stupid oil drains.=20
>>=20
>> Now I get that engines are sometime designed in a vacuum and the =
frame builders don't care what is in the way, but it just seems that for =
optimal oil changes, a plug should be at the bottom of the pan. With =
all the environmental concerns, I would also imagine that any way to =
prevent oil spills and splashes would be ideal.=20
>>=20
>> Can anyone explain this? Or is it just a case of designers really =
HATE mechanics?=20
>>=20
>>=20
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rational being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your =
territory." Ralph Waldo Emerson=20
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charset=3Dutf-8"></head><body style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; =
-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=3D""><span=
class=3D"Apple-tab-span" style=3D"white-space:pre"> </span>To =
mitigate the mess I've tak'en to using synthetic oil and changing it =
every 8,000 miles. Same mess, but less often=E2=80=A6<div class=3D""><span=
class=3D"Apple-tab-span" style=3D"white-space:pre"> =
</span>Best,</div><div class=3D""><span class=3D"Apple-tab-span" =
style=3D"white-space:pre"> </span>Bob<br class=3D""><div><br =
class=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div class=3D"">On Jan =
4, 2021, at 9:25 AM, Mark Andy <<a href=3D"mailto:marka@maracing.com"; =
class=3D"">marka@maracing.com</a>> wrote:</div><br =
class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D""><div dir=3D"ltr" =
class=3D"">Howdy,<div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">Re: =
controlling the flow of oil...<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">I have =
something like this:<br class=3D""><br class=3D""><a =
href=3D"https://www.amazon.com/Flexible-Discharging-Motorcycles-Automobile=
s-Equipment/dp/B08PFVR7CS/ref=3Dsr_1_9?dchild=3D1&keywords=3Doil+catch=
+director&qid=3D1609770211&sr=3D8-9" =
class=3D"">https://www.amazon.com/Flexible-Discharging-Motorcycles-Automob=
iles-Equipment/dp/B08PFVR7CS/ref=3Dsr_1_9?dchild=3D1&keywords=3Doil+ca=
tch+director&qid=3D1609770211&sr=3D8-9</a><br class=3D""><br =
class=3D"">Basically it's a formable sheet that you can bend into =
whatever shape, that you can set on crossmembers or whatever that would =
otherwise get soaked in oil.<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">The one I have =
works reasonably well for directing oil flow. Not sure how the one =
I linked to performs (I got mine probably 20 years ago), but it looks =
like the same thing?<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">Mark</div></div><br =
class=3D""><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" =
class=3D"gmail_attr">On Mon, Jan 4, 2021 at 9:22 AM Brian Kemp <<a =
href=3D"mailto:bk13@earthlink.net"; class=3D"">bk13@earthlink.net</a>> =
wrote:<br class=3D""></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" =
style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid =
rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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<div class=3D"">
I think they are horizontal for extra protection against ground
impact. If they stuck out the bottom and you went off road or =
drove
over a concrete stop in a parking lot, an oil drain plug could take
a direct impact and perhaps have greater damage than hitting a frame
rail or suspension bit.<br class=3D"">
<br class=3D"">
I share your frustration with the oil filter location from my Honda
Odyssey. Changing the filter caused oil to come down directly =
on
the frame rail. My solution was to take a foot square of =
alluminum
foil and make my own deflection device to catch all the oil and
direct it to the drain pan.<br class=3D"">
<br class=3D"">
Brian<br class=3D"">
<br class=3D"">
<div class=3D"">On 1/4/2021 5:14 AM, <a =
href=3D"mailto:eric@megageek.com"; target=3D"_blank" =
class=3D"">eric@megageek.com</a>
wrote:<br class=3D"">
</div>
<blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D"">
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<font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif" class=3D"">OK, this is half =
vent and half
"can
someone explain why the heck do they do this to us?"</font>
<br class=3D"">
<br class=3D"">
<font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif" class=3D"">I notice that just =
about EVERY
modern's
car drain plug drains horizontally and not vertically (where the
plug come
straight down from the bottom of the oil pan.) This make's =
oil
changes
SO much harder and messier.</font>
<br class=3D"">
<br class=3D"">
<font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif" class=3D"">Then, I've even =
seen (2018 Ford
F150)
where it has a frame rail right in front of the oil hole and it
splashes
the nearly 2 GALLONS of oil everywhere. Then, the oil =
filter
has
a 'slide' under it to redirect the oil to the front of the
frame, which
is nice, EXCEPT that it doesn't go all the way back to under the
oil filter!
This means that some oil drips under the oil filter while =
more
drips
in front of the frame rail about 2 feet away (meaning no single
oil pan
can catch both.) I'm seeing this in more and more cars =
that
have
stupid oil drains.</font>
<br class=3D"">
<br class=3D"">
<font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif" class=3D"">Now I get that =
engines are
sometime
designed in a vacuum and the frame builders don't care what is
in the way,
but it just seems that for optimal oil changes, a plug should be
at the
bottom of the pan. With all the environmental concerns, I =
would
also
imagine that any way to prevent oil spills and splashes would be
ideal.</font>
<br class=3D"">
<br class=3D"">
<font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif" class=3D"">Can anyone explain =
this? Or is
it just a case of designers really HATE mechanics?</font>
<br class=3D"">
<font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif" class=3D""><br class=3D"">
<br class=3D"">
"Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a
rational
being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory."
Ralph
Waldo Emerson <br class=3D"">
-Who is John Galt?</font>
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