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If you could use some lighting on the pathways, consider a pedestal with a l=
ight and outlets, usually seen on docks in marinas.=20
- Bill Rabel
Anacortes
Since when do you have to agree with people to defend them from injustice?
- Lillian Hellman
> On Jul 10, 2020, at 12:54 PM, Jeff Scarbrough <fishplate@gmail.com> wrote:=
>=20
> =EF=BB=BFPat said he's put an in-use cover. I'd add that the NEC requires=
an
> in-use cover in this spot, and it's just smart to do it anyway. John
> said mount it on a 4x4, that's probably easiest, unless you are going
> for aesthetics, in which case the cast rock may be an option. You
> could also get one of those fake rocks that goes over a well pump and
> mount it in that somehow.
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> Pull new wires, make sure there's GFCI protection, and rock on!
>=20
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>> On Fri, Jul 10, 2020 at 3:05 PM Pat Horne <patintexas@icloud.com> wrote:
>>=20
>> Scott,
>>=20
>> Several thoughts. There needs to be a GFCI Function on any outside circui=
t. It could be a GFCI breaker in a panel or a GFCI outlet.
>>=20
>> I would get a GFCI outlet tester to see If the circuit has the GFCI funct=
ionality somewhere. It=E2=80=99s redundant to have a GFCI outlet & breaker o=
n the same circuit.
>>=20
>> Since this outlet doesn=E2=80=99t seem to be up to code I=E2=80=99d quest=
ion whether the sub panel was installed to code also. If it isn=E2=80=99t a r=
eal sub panel, but rather just a disconnect there may be something farther b=
ack in the system that is supplying the GFCI function, either a GFCI breaker=
in another panel or a GFCI outlet in the garage or a bathroom.
>>=20
>> As for replacing the outlet/cutting the PVC, yes it can be done on the st=
raight conduct. If it were me, I=E2=80=99d cut the conduit back to a straigh=
t part and then complete the conduit with a flexible conduit like what is us=
ed on an A/C unit. That way I=E2=80=99d the outlet gets hit or stressed it w=
on=E2=80=99t break like your old one. I=E2=80=99d also install an in use cov=
er on the Outlet box so that it Will still be water resistant when something=
is plugged into it.
>>=20
>> I=E2=80=99d be happy to discuss this further with you if desired.
>>=20
>> Peace,
>> Pat
>>=20
>> Pat Horne
>> We support Habitat for Humanity
>>=20
>>=20
>> On Jul 10, 2020, at 1:45 PM, Scott Hall <scott.hall.personal@gmail.com> w=
rote:
>>=20
>> =EF=BB=BF
>> I have this:
>>=20
>> https://i.imgur.com/QWy2Ikn.jpg
>> https://i.imgur.com/s39fdds.jpg
>>=20
>> Happening at the new house. Those rocks surround the pool deck for orname=
ntation, I guess.
>>=20
>> Shockingly (or not, heh), those outlets work. I'd like to re-do the whole=
thing to be anchored into the ground and not make me nervous every time I l=
ook at it.
>>=20
>> The pool is about eight feet away. Maybe two feet of that rock...'garden'=
then six feet of concrete decking. Those outlets themselves don't appear to=
be GFCI, though I'd think it was a good idea. They have their own sub-panel=
, on the side of the house maybe forty feet away.
>>=20
>> I'm completely okay with throwing the breaker and installing a new actual=
outlet, I'm soliciting advice on how to re-do that conduit (can you 'splice=
' conduit so I dig and then do it like I'd do PVC?) and anchor the whole thi=
ng firmly to the ground. And for specific solutions you guys can think of to=
o--I was thinking I could pour a concrete 'rock' in the garage with a hole f=
or a gang box and then put that where this thing is now, etc.
>>=20
>> Thanks guys.
>>=20
>> Scott
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto">If you could use some lighting on the pathw=
ays, consider a pedestal with a light <u>and</u> outlets, usually seen on do=
cks in marinas. <div><br></div><div>- Bill Rabel</div><div> Anaco=
rtes<br><br><div dir=3D"ltr">
<p class=3D"p1"><span class=3D"s1">Since when do you have to agree with peop=
le to defend them from injustice?</span></p><p class=3D"p1"><span style=3D"f=
ont-size: 13pt;">- Lillian Hellman</span></p></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br><blo=
ckquote type=3D"cite">On Jul 10, 2020, at 12:54 PM, Jeff Scarbrough <fish=
plate@gmail.com> wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div><blockquote type=3D"cit=
e"><div dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=BF<span>Pat said he's put an in-use cover. =
I'd add that the NEC requires an</span><br><span>in-use cover in this spot, a=
nd it's just smart to do it anyway. John</span><br><span>said mount it=
on a 4x4, that's probably easiest, unless you are going</span><br><span>for=
aesthetics, in which case the cast rock may be an option. You</span><=
br><span>could also get one of those fake rocks that goes over a well pump a=
nd</span><br><span>mount it in that somehow.</span><br><span></span><br><spa=
n>Pull new wires, make sure there's GFCI protection, and rock on!</span><br>=
<span></span><br><span></span><br><span>On Fri, Jul 10, 2020 at 3:05 PM Pat H=
orne <patintexas@icloud.com> wrote:</span><br><blockquote type=3D"cite=
"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><span>Scott,</span=
><br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><b=
lockquote type=3D"cite"><span>Several thoughts. There needs to be a GFCI Fun=
ction on any outside circuit. It could be a GFCI breaker in a panel or a GFC=
I outlet.</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><span></span><br>=
</blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><span>I would get a GFCI outlet teste=
r to see If the circuit has the GFCI functionality somewhere. It=E2=80=99s r=
edundant to have a GFCI outlet & breaker on the same circuit.</span><br>=
</blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockq=
uote type=3D"cite"><span>Since this outlet doesn=E2=80=99t seem to be up to c=
ode I=E2=80=99d question whether the sub panel was installed to code also. I=
f it isn=E2=80=99t a real sub panel, but rather just a disconnect there may b=
e something farther back in the system that is supplying the GFCI function, e=
ither a GFCI breaker in another panel or a GFCI outlet in the garage or a ba=
throom.</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><span></span><br></=
blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><span>As for replacing the outlet/cutti=
ng the PVC, yes it can be done on the straight conduct. If it were me, I=E2=80=
=99d cut the conduit back to a straight part and then complete the conduit w=
ith a flexible conduit like what is used on an A/C unit. That way I=E2=80=99=
d the outlet gets hit or stressed it won=E2=80=99t break like your old one. I=
=E2=80=99d also install an in use cover on the Outlet box so that it Will st=
ill be water resistant when something is plugged into it.</span><br></blockq=
uote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote typ=
e=3D"cite"><span>I=E2=80=99d be happy to discuss this further with you if de=
sired.</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><span></span><br></b=
lockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><span>Peace,</span><br></blockquote><blo=
ckquote type=3D"cite"><span>Pat</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"c=
ite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><span>Pat Horne=
</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><span>We support Habitat f=
or Humanity</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><span></span><b=
r></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><bloc=
kquote type=3D"cite"><span>On Jul 10, 2020, at 1:45 PM, Scott Hall <scott=
.hall.personal@gmail.com> wrote:</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D=
"cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><span>=EF=BB=BF=
</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><span>I have this:</span><=
br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blo=
ckquote type=3D"cite"><span>https://i.imgur.com/QWy2Ikn.jpg</span><br></bloc=
kquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><span>https://i.imgur.com/s39fdds.jpg</span=
><br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><b=
lockquote type=3D"cite"><span>Happening at the new house. Those rocks surrou=
nd the pool deck for ornamentation, I guess.</span><br></blockquote><blockqu=
ote type=3D"cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><s=
pan>Shockingly (or not, heh), those outlets work. I'd like to re-do the whol=
e thing to be anchored into the ground and not make me nervous every time I l=
ook at it.</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><span></span><br=
></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><span>The pool is about eight feet a=
way. Maybe two feet of that rock...'garden' then six feet of concrete deckin=
g. Those outlets themselves don't appear to be GFCI, though I'd think it was=
a good idea. They have their own sub-panel, on the side of the house maybe f=
orty feet away.</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><span></spa=
n><br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><span>I'm completely okay with t=
hrowing the breaker and installing a new actual outlet, I'm soliciting advic=
e on how to re-do that conduit (can you 'splice' conduit so I dig and then d=
o it like I'd do PVC?) and anchor the whole thing firmly to the ground. And f=
or specific solutions you guys can think of too--I was thinking I could pour=
a concrete 'rock' in the garage with a hole for a gang box and then put tha=
t where this thing is now, etc.</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"c=
ite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><span>Thanks gu=
ys.</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><span></span><br></bloc=
kquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><span>Scott</span><br></blockquote><blockqu=
ote type=3D"cite"><span>_______________________________________________</spa=
n><br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><=
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