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In 1918, the flu hit the east coast early.=C2=A0 The health commissioner =
in St. Louis took early and drastic measures closing public spaces such as =
pubs, libraries, theaters and such and took much derision as a result.=C2=
=A0 But, the death rate in St. Louis was 347 per 100,000 people, 1/8 of tha=
t of Philadelphia.=C2=A0 The results speak for them selves.
Dealing with this situation with wishful thinking is a recipe for disaster.
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-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Porter via Shop-talk <shop-talk@autox.team.net>
To: Jeff Scarbrough <fishplate@gmail.com>
Cc: Shop-Talk <shop-talk@autox.team.net>
Sent: Mon, Mar 16, 2020 7:46 pm
Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] everybody OK with Covid-19?
On 3/16/2020 6:06 PM, Jeff Scarbrough via Shop-talk wrote:
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On Mon, Mar 16, 2020 at 7:43 PM someone wrote:
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This is no different then swine flu, bird flu, Sars, or any of the other ty=
pes of outbreaks we have recently had. =C2=A0But this one has the media wag=
ing the dog.=20
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I am not an epidemiologist.=C2=A0 But I do help to keep a high-containmen=
t infectious disease lab running, so some of this has rubbed off...=20
This is, of course, very much like SARS - they are cousins on the virii f=
amily tree (Coronavirus is also called SARS-CoV-2).=C2=A0 It is like swine =
flu and bird flu, in that it seems to be transmitted as an aerosol.=20
What makes it different is that it is a novel coronavirus.=C2=A0 That mea=
ns we haven't seen it before. I'm thinking that history doesn't repeat it=
self, and doesn't rhyme (as Mark Twain averred) so much as it coughs up the=
same sort of phlegm every once in a while for the same reasons.=C2=A0 It's=
now right around 100 years ago that the "Spanish" flu killed an estimated =
50-60 million worldwide, when the world population was about 35-40% of what=
it is now.=C2=A0 There are pandemics, and some of them have rather high de=
ath rates.=C2=A0 The rate of death from the Spanish flu was about 2%.=C2=A0=
The CDC is estimating a rate of death from this virus of 3%, so it's nothi=
ng to sneeze at.=C2=A0 In hard-hit regions, the death rate is around 4-5%, =
probably because in those populations, malnutrition is higher and access to=
care is less prevalent, and people are dying at a higher rate from opportu=
nistic secondary infections, such as bacterial pneumonia.=C2=A0 The death r=
ate in this country each year from garden-variety influenza is about 0.1%, =
so we are dealing with something that is more virulent and has a much great=
er potential for harm, so, all in all, warnings to behave exceptionally bec=
ause the threat is exceptional are appropriate.=C2=A0 Does the media magnif=
y the threat?=C2=A0 Yeah, because getting eyeballs is the core of the busin=
ess.=C2=A0 But, if the advice comes from reputable sources, best to listen =
to it, instead of the nitwits.=20
Cheers.
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Michael Porter
Roswell, NM
Never let anyone drive you crazy when you know it's within walking distance=
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<div> <font size=3D"3">In 1918, the flu hit the east coast early. The=
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health commissioner in St. Louis took early and drastic measures closing
public spaces such as pubs, libraries, theaters and such and took much=20
derision as a result. But, the death rate in St. Louis was 347 per=20
100,000 people, 1/8 of that of Philadelphia. The results speak for th=
em
selves.</font></div>
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<div><font size=3D"3">Dealing with this situation with wishful thinking is =
a recipe for disaster.</font><br>
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<div style=3D"clear:both"><font size=3D"4">Dave </font><br>
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From: Michael Porter via Shop-talk <shop-talk@autox.team.net><br>
To: Jeff Scarbrough <fishplate@gmail.com><br>
Cc: Shop-Talk <shop-talk@autox.team.net><br>
Sent: Mon, Mar 16, 2020 7:46 pm<br>
Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] everybody OK with Covid-19?<br>
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<div class=3D"yiv8396007816moz-cite-prefix">On 3/16/2020 6:06 PM, Jeff Scar=
brough
via Shop-talk wrote:<br clear=3D"none">
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<div class=3D"yiv8396007816gmail_attr" dir=3D"ltr">On Mon, Mar 16, 2020 at =
7:43
PM someone wrote:<br clear=3D"none">
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<blockquote class=3D"yiv8396007816gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0p=
x 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex;"><=
font size=3D"3" face=3D"Calibri">This is no different then swine flu, bird
flu, Sars, or any of the other types of outbreaks we have
recently had.
But this one has the media waging the dog.</font>
<br clear=3D"none">
</blockquote>
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<div><br clear=3D"none">
</div>
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<div>I am not an epidemiologist. But I do help to keep a
high-containment infectious disease lab running, so some of
this has rubbed off...</div>
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<div><br clear=3D"none">
</div>
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<div>This is, of course, very much like SARS - they are
cousins on the virii family tree (Coronavirus is also called
SARS-CoV-2). It is like swine flu and bird flu, in that i=
t
seems to be transmitted as an aerosol.</div>
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<div><br clear=3D"none">
</div>
=20
<div>What makes it different is that it is a novel
coronavirus. That means we haven't seen it before.</div>
</div>
</div>
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<div>I'm thinking that history doesn't repeat itself, and doesn't
rhyme (as Mark Twain averred) so much as it coughs up the same
sort of phlegm every once in a while for the same reasons. It's
now right around 100 years ago that the "Spanish" flu killed an
estimated 50-60 million worldwide, when the world population was
about 35-40% of what it is now. There <i>are</i> pandemics, and
some of them have rather high death rates. The rate of death fr=
om
the Spanish flu was about 2%. The CDC is estimating a rate of
death from this virus of 3%, so it's nothing to sneeze at. In
hard-hit regions, the death rate is around 4-5%, probably because
in those populations, malnutrition is higher and access to care is
less prevalent, and people are dying at a higher rate from
opportunistic secondary infections, such as bacterial pneumonia. =
;
The death rate in this country each year from garden-variety
influenza is about 0.1%, so we are dealing with something that is
more virulent and has a much greater potential for harm, so, all
in all, warnings to behave exceptionally because the threat is
exceptional are appropriate. Does the media magnify the threat?=
Yeah, because getting eyeballs is the core of the business. But=
,
if the advice comes from reputable sources, best to listen to it,
instead of the nitwits.</div>
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</div>
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<div>Cheers.<br clear=3D"none">
</div>
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</div>
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Roswell, NM
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