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Re: [Shop-talk] Wifi access point?

To: Doug Braun <>
Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Wifi access point?
From: Miq Millman <>
Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2015 17:07:55 -0700
Cc: Shop-Talk <>
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Commercial Wi-Fi environments like airports that have a large area with
contiguous coverage in a single SSID typically have high end equipment that
utilizes Wi-Fi Extender capabilities and are capable of parsing data and
clients between the devices in the network structure without impacting

Some systems out there have a mode you can set manually that allows for the
Access Point to be configured as an extender, but be aware that this could
drastically reduce your total throughput of the system (tying up the
limited available channels in 802.11bg 2.4GHz).

A better option may be to use the features in lower quality home market
systems, and have the second device act as a Repeater.  This is also
something that might have to be done manually in the configuration.
Typically this will create a "cloned" network with a new unique SSID that
is served by the original network (including secure access for mac id
limited connections or DHCP).  The benefit is that if you don't actually
roam into an area where the two SSID are identical or similar in strength,
your device will mostly seamlessly transition, and your traffic will not be
limited to sharing channels and handshake contention between the two
SSID's.  You will also be able to run the two different SSID's on different
channels essentially doubling the available capacity instead of sharing it.

Miq Millman
Tualatin, OR  Big Llama Productions

On Tue, Jun 16, 2015 at 4:02 PM, Doug Braun <> wrote:

> Don't places like large offices, schools, and airports have dozens or
> hundreds of access points with the same SSID?
> Doug
> On Tue, Jun 16, 2015 at 4:22 PM, Mike Rambour <>
> wrote:
> >  While its true that any modern device can store access credentials for
> > multiple connections, my house wifi barely reaches the garage, its
> usually
> > down to one or 2 bars in the garage and my phone will try and stay
> > connected to it, I have to manually tell it to change to the garage wifi
> > each time I go in the garage.  They have different names but I had not
> > thought of making them the same name and will try that, it sounds like it
> > should work but knowing how things work it will likely confuse the phone.
> >
> >  In the house my computers are all wired, so no worries about jumping to
> > the weak signal, only my phone and my wife's phone are wifi.
> >
> >     mike
> >
> >
> > On 6/16/2015 1:13 PM, David Hillman wrote:
> >
> >> On Tue, 16 Jun 2015, Peter Murray wrote:
> >>
> >>> - Configure its SSID and encryption the same as your main access point
> >>> (so
> >>> you can just transparently go from one to the other)
> >>>
> >>
> >>    I'm not sure that's a great idea.  If the house signal reaches the
> >> shop, even weakly ( or vice versa ), you'll have two networks with the
> same
> >> name available.  I bet that'll cause more problems than it'll solve.
> >>
> >>    Any modern device can store access credentials for dozens of wireless
> >> networks, so there's minimal advantage to naming them the same anyway.
> >>
> >>    Also, from a troubleshooting perspective, two names would be better.
> >> Say you are in the shop -- or outside on the property -- and your
> >> connection sucks.  Unbeknownst to you, your shop WAP crashed, and your
> >> computer jumped to the weak house signal.  You won't be able to tell
> them
> >> apart from the client device if they are named the same.
> >>
> >> --
> >>  David Hillman
> >> _
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