Re: [Healeys] update on shutdown issue

[Tom Felts via Healeys <healeys@autox.team.net>]

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I'm using the new floats, have a new 3ohm coil, and have changed the Pertro=
nix to a new one. This is crazy----but after my last attempt by cleaning an=
d oiling the baseplate of the distributor, she has sat at idle for a looooo=
ong tie and has not shut down. I'm still shooting in the dark, I'll admit, =
and if she shuts down again I'll do a quick spark test.=20

Tom=20


From: "Robert Markovich via Healeys" <healeys@autox.team.net>=20
To: "Bob Spidell" <bspidell@comcast.net>, "healeys" <healeys@autox.team.net=
>=20
Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2023 5:41:07 PM=20
Subject: Re: [Healeys] update on shutdown issue=20

Might the brass floats also have pinholes, causing them to fill with fuel a=
nd preventing them from rising as they should? The new nitro phyll floats s=
olve that issue. If not, I=E2=80=99d suspect the distributor (internal grou=
nd wire or advence weights). Might also be worth buying another Pertronix m=
odule and a 3-ohm coil (always smart to have a spare along anyway) and see =
if it isn=E2=80=99t one of those. Still, it sounds more and more like an ad=
vance problem if the engine won=E2=80=99t reverse.=20


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On Wednesday, September 20, 2023, 2:49 PM, Bob Spidell <bspidell@comcast.ne=
t> wrote:=20


re: "The pump pumps normally and each time I pulled the float bowl caps, th=
ey have been full of gas."=20

Which type/brand of pump do you have? I've seen pumps, both points and SS, =
do some unexplainable things. Another thought: something in the tank that i=
ntermittently blocks the pickup. We bought a used tank for our BN2 and expe=
rienced erratic behavior from the engine; my dad finally tracked it down to=
 a pinhole leak near where the pickup was soldered to the tank. Dad surmise=
d the flux used to facilitate the soldering eventually etched the hole (the=
 tank was otherwise in good shape).=20

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On 9/20/2023 7:46 AM, Tom Felts via Healeys wrote:=20

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Since having the car towed home I have checked all connections in the ignit=
ion system, pulled the distributor base plate out and cleaned it--the the t=
wo pieces were very tight. I have let her run in the garage for long period=
s of time and she has not shut down again so I haven't been able to check s=
park.=20

When it did shut down, it wouldn't take long before she would start again t=
hen shut down. Then start, then shut down.=20

I know my trial and error method wasn't the best approach, but without bein=
g able to check spark it seemed appropriate to change out components.=20

Tell me if my analysis is correct on this. I thought it might be a fuel sup=
ply issue. So---I pulled the float bowl covers and all was ok there--also p=
ulled and cleaned the carbs. If the float bowl jets were stuck in a closed =
position it would get no gas and eventually shut down---but---both would ha=
ve to stick so each carb wouldn't get gas. this seems like an unlikely cond=
ition.=20

If they were stock in the open position it would be dumping gas out of the =
overflow tubes---so, again, unlikely since it would still run. I have alrea=
dy changed fuel filter and blew out the line. The pump pumps normally and e=
ach time I pulled the float bowl caps, they have been full of gas. So--I ha=
ve basically ruled out fuel starvation as a cause.=20
in the garage she sits and purrs forever with no shutdown------so, as I men=
tioned, I can't ch spark=20


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<html><body><div style=3D"font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-s=
ize: 12pt; color: #000000"><div>I'm using the new floats, have a new 3ohm c=
oil, and have changed the Pertronix to a new one.&nbsp; This is crazy----bu=
t after my last attempt by cleaning and oiling the baseplate of the distrib=
utor, she has sat at idle for a loooooong tie and has not shut down.&nbsp; =
I'm still shooting in the dark, I'll admit, and if she shuts down again I'l=
l do a quick spark test.</div><div><br data-mce-bogus=3D"1"></div><div>Tom<=
/div><div><br></div><hr id=3D"zwchr" data-marker=3D"__DIVIDER__"><div data-=
marker=3D"__HEADERS__"><b>From: </b>"Robert Markovich via Healeys" &lt;heal=
eys@autox.team.net&gt;<br><b>To: </b>"Bob Spidell" &lt;bspidell@comcast.net=
&gt;, "healeys" &lt;healeys@autox.team.net&gt;<br><b>Sent: </b>Wednesday, S=
eptember 20, 2023 5:41:07 PM<br><b>Subject: </b>Re: [Healeys] update on shu=
tdown issue<br></div><div><br></div><div data-marker=3D"__QUOTED_TEXT__">
Might the brass floats also have pinholes, causing them to fill with fuel a=
nd preventing them from rising as they should? The new nitro phyll&nbsp;flo=
ats solve that issue. If&nbsp;not, I=E2=80=99d suspect the distributor (int=
ernal ground wire or advence weights). Might also be worth buying another P=
ertronix module and a&nbsp;3-ohm coil&nbsp;(always smart to have a spare al=
ong anyway) and see if it isn=E2=80=99t one of those. Still, it sounds more=
 and more like an advance problem if the engine won=E2=80=99t reverse.&nbsp=
;<br><br><br><div class=3D"yahoo-signature"><a href=3D"https://apps.apple.c=
om/us/app/aol-news-email-weather-video/id646100661" target=3D"_blank" rel=
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<br></div><br><p class=3D"yahoo-quoted-begin" style=3D"font-size:15px;color=
:#715ffa;padding-top:15px;margin-top:0">On Wednesday, September 20, 2023, 2=
:49 PM, Bob Spidell &lt;bspidell@comcast.net&gt; wrote:</p><blockquote clas=
s=3D"iosymail"><div id=3D"yiv8100604757"><div>
    re: "The pump pumps normally and each time I pulled the float bowl
    caps, they have been full of gas."<br clear=3D"none">
    <br clear=3D"none">
    Which type/brand of pump do you have? I've seen pumps, both points
    and SS, do some unexplainable things. Another thought: something in
    the tank that intermittently blocks the pickup. We bought a used
    tank for our BN2 and experienced erratic behavior from the engine;
    my dad finally tracked it down to a pinhole leak near where the
    pickup was soldered to the tank. Dad surmised the flux used to
    facilitate the soldering eventually etched the hole (the tank was
    otherwise in good shape).<br clear=3D"none">
    <br clear=3D"none">
    bs<br clear=3D"none">
    <br clear=3D"none">
    <br clear=3D"none">
    <div id=3D"yiv8100604757yqt95592" class=3D"yiv8100604757yqt0783226228">=
<div class=3D"yiv8100604757moz-cite-prefix">On 9/20/2023 7:46 AM, Tom Felts=
 via
      Healeys wrote:<br clear=3D"none">
    </div>
    <blockquote>
      </blockquote></div></div><div id=3D"yiv8100604757yqt75672" class=3D"y=
iv8100604757yqt0783226228"><div><div style=3D"font-family:'arial' , 'helvet=
ica' , sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color:#000000">
        <div>
         =20
          <div style=3D"color:#000000;font-family:'arial' , 'helvetica' , s=
ans-serif;font-size:16px;font-style:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:n=
ormal;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0=
px">Since having the car towed home I have checked all
            connections in the ignition system, pulled the distributor
            base plate out and cleaned it--the the two pieces were very
            tight.&nbsp; I have let her run in the garage for long periods =
of
            time and she has not shut down again so I haven't been able
            to check spark.&nbsp;</div>
          <div style=3D"color:#000000;font-family:'arial' , 'helvetica' , s=
ans-serif;font-size:16px;font-style:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:n=
ormal;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0=
px"><br clear=3D"none">
          </div>
          <div style=3D"color:#000000;font-family:'arial' , 'helvetica' , s=
ans-serif;font-size:16px;font-style:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:n=
ormal;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0=
px">When it did shut down, it wouldn't take long
            before she would start again then shut down.&nbsp; Then start,
            then shut down.&nbsp;&nbsp;</div>
          <div style=3D"color:#000000;font-family:'arial' , 'helvetica' , s=
ans-serif;font-size:16px;font-style:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:n=
ormal;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0=
px"><br clear=3D"none">
          </div>
          <div style=3D"color:#000000;font-family:'arial' , 'helvetica' , s=
ans-serif;font-size:16px;font-style:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:n=
ormal;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0=
px">I know my trial and error method wasn't the best
            approach, but without being able to check spark it seemed
            appropriate to change out components.&nbsp;&nbsp;</div>
          <div style=3D"color:#000000;font-family:'arial' , 'helvetica' , s=
ans-serif;font-size:16px;font-style:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:n=
ormal;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0=
px"><br clear=3D"none">
          </div>
          <div style=3D"color:#000000;font-family:'arial' , 'helvetica' , s=
ans-serif;font-size:16px;font-style:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:n=
ormal;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0=
px">Tell me if my analysis is correct on this.&nbsp; I
            thought it might be a fuel supply issue.&nbsp; So---I pulled th=
e
            float bowl covers and all was ok there--also pulled and
            cleaned the carbs.&nbsp; If the float bowl jets were stuck in a
            closed position it would get no gas and eventually shut
            down---but---both would have to stick so each carb wouldn't
            get gas.&nbsp; this seems like an unlikely condition.</div>
          <div style=3D"color:#000000;font-family:'arial' , 'helvetica' , s=
ans-serif;font-size:16px;font-style:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:n=
ormal;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0=
px"><br clear=3D"none">
          </div>
          <div style=3D"color:#000000;font-family:'arial' , 'helvetica' , s=
ans-serif;font-size:16px;font-style:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:n=
ormal;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0=
px">If they were stock in the open position it would
            be dumping gas out of the overflow tubes---so, again,
            unlikely since it would still run.&nbsp; I have already changed
            fuel filter and blew out the line.&nbsp; The pump pumps normall=
y
            and each time I pulled the float bowl caps, they have been
            full of gas.&nbsp; So--I have basically ruled out fuel starvati=
on
            as a cause.&nbsp;&nbsp;</div>
          <div style=3D"color:#000000;font-family:'arial' , 'helvetica' , s=
ans-serif;font-size:16px;font-style:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:n=
ormal;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0=
px">&nbsp;</div>
          <div style=3D"color:#000000;font-family:'arial' , 'helvetica' , s=
ans-serif;font-size:16px;font-style:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:n=
ormal;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0=
px">in the garage she sits and purrs forever with no
            shutdown------so, as I mentioned, I can't ch spark</div>
           </div>
      </div>
      <br clear=3D"none">
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