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Re: [Healeys] update on shutdown issue

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Subject: Re: [Healeys] update on shutdown issue
From: Kees Oudesluijs via Healeys <healeys@autox.team.net>
Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2023 21:22:23 +0200
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Is it a gradual or instat shut down?
Kees

Op 20-9-2023 om 17:39 schreef Bob Spidell:
> re: "The pump pumps normally and each time I pulled the float bowl 
> caps, they have been full of gas."
>
> Which type/brand of pump do you have? I've seen pumps, both points and 
> SS, do some unexplainable things. Another thought: something in the 
> tank that intermittently blocks the pickup. We bought a used tank for 
> our BN2 and experienced erratic behavior from the engine; my dad 
> finally tracked it down to a pinhole leak near where the pickup was 
> soldered to the tank. Dad surmised the flux used to facilitate the 
> soldering eventually etched the hole (the tank was otherwise in good 
> shape).
>
> bs
>
>
> On 9/20/2023 7:46 AM, Tom Felts via Healeys wrote:
>> Since having the car towed home I have checked all connections in the 
>> ignition system, pulled the distributor base plate out and cleaned 
>> it--the the two pieces were very tight.  I have let her run in the 
>> garage for long periods of time and she has not shut down again so I 
>> haven't been able to check spark.
>>
>> When it did shut down, it wouldn't take long before she would start 
>> again then shut down.  Then start, then shut down.
>>
>> I know my trial and error method wasn't the best approach, but 
>> without being able to check spark it seemed appropriate to change out 
>> components.
>>
>> Tell me if my analysis is correct on this.  I thought it might be a 
>> fuel supply issue.  So---I pulled the float bowl covers and all was 
>> ok there--also pulled and cleaned the carbs.  If the float bowl jets 
>> were stuck in a closed position it would get no gas and eventually 
>> shut down---but---both would have to stick so each carb wouldn't get 
>> gas.  this seems like an unlikely condition.
>>
>> If they were stock in the open position it would be dumping gas out 
>> of the overflow tubes---so, again, unlikely since it would still 
>> run.  I have already changed fuel filter and blew out the line.  The 
>> pump pumps normally and each time I pulled the float bowl caps, they 
>> have been full of gas.  So--I have basically ruled out fuel 
>> starvation as a cause.
>> in the garage she sits and purrs forever with no shutdown------so, as 
>> I mentioned, I can't ch spark
>>
>
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    <p>Is it a gradual or instat shut down?<br>
      Kees<br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Op 20-9-2023 om 17:39 schreef Bob
      Spidell:<br>
    </div>
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      cite="mid:58dc004f-4994-9357-115b-7d2e4057ea39@comcast.net">
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      re: "The pump pumps normally and each time I pulled the float bowl
      caps, they have been full of gas."<br>
      <br>
      Which type/brand of pump do you have? I've seen pumps, both points
      and SS, do some unexplainable things. Another thought: something
      in the tank that intermittently blocks the pickup. We bought a
      used tank for our BN2 and experienced erratic behavior from the
      engine; my dad finally tracked it down to a pinhole leak near
      where the pickup was soldered to the tank. Dad surmised the flux
      used to facilitate the soldering eventually etched the hole (the
      tank was otherwise in good shape).<br>
      <br>
      bs<br>
      <br>
      <br>
      <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 9/20/2023 7:46 AM, Tom Felts via
        Healeys wrote:<br>
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              connections in the ignition system, pulled the distributor
              base plate out and cleaned it--the the two pieces were
              very tight.  I have let her run in the garage for long
              periods of time and she has not shut down again so I
              haven't been able to check spark. </div>
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              before she would start again then shut down.  Then start,
              then shut down.  </div>
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              approach, but without being able to check spark it seemed
              appropriate to change out components.  </div>
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            widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width:
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            text-decoration-style: initial; text-decoration-color:
            initial;">Tell me if my analysis is correct on this.  I
              thought it might be a fuel supply issue.  So---I pulled
              the float bowl covers and all was ok there--also pulled
              and cleaned the carbs.  If the float bowl jets were stuck
              in a closed position it would get no gas and eventually
              shut down---but---both would have to stick so each carb
              wouldn't get gas.  this seems like an unlikely condition.</div>
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style="color: #000000; font-family: arial, helvetica,
            sans-serif; font-size: 16px; font-style: normal;
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style="color: #000000; font-family: arial, helvetica,
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            text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none;
            white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px;
            -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration-thickness:
            initial; text-decoration-style: initial;
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data-mce-style="color:
            #000000; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;
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            letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: start;
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            widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width:
            0px; text-decoration-thickness: initial;
            text-decoration-style: initial; text-decoration-color:
            initial;">If they were stock in the open position it would
              be dumping gas out of the overflow tubes---so, again,
              unlikely since it would still run.  I have already changed
              fuel filter and blew out the line.  The pump pumps
              normally and each time I pulled the float bowl caps, they
              have been full of gas.  So--I have basically ruled out
              fuel starvation as a cause.  </div>
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style="color: #000000; font-family: arial, helvetica,
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