Re: [Fot] TR6 race car possible change of series

[Bob Kramer <rkramer56@gmail.com>]

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Jamie

One last thing. Vintage run groups can be smaller than ChampCar. This can
mean that you end up out on the track with no one to race with.  I hate
that!  Hopefully you will find a group of cars to dice with.  The good
thing with a TR6 is that you can ramp it up or down to fit the need.

Bob

On Wed, 18 Mar 2026 at 08:40, Jamie Palmer <tr6driver@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Bob, thanks for the valuable input.  It sounds like your thoughts are ver=
y
> similar to mine.  One option is for me to cannibalize the car for the oth=
er
> TR6-based vehicles (my 73 street car, the 2000 Mk. 1 sedan, a Hunter kit
> car, and a Jamaican kit car), but it turned out quite nicely (I was lucky
> enough to start with a fairly solid pile of "bitsa") and I hate to do tha=
t
> after 5 years building and prepping the car.
>
> The VDCA rules sound quite reasonable, and I don't think it would be too
> difficult to find four suitable fenders.  I originally got the engine
> running on a set of 175 CDs anyway, so they are sitting there ready to go=
.
> Honestly, I'm not that worried about being "competitive", just would like
> to not be the slowest car on track by 5 seconds a lap (Lucky Dog experien=
ce
> last fall).  Heck, she's (her name is Lacey) set up to run on regular
> unleaded as it's darned expensive to run premium all weekend!
>
> Thanks again, friends, and I'll keep all informed.  Chuck has been kind
> enough to invite Cristina and me to the VDCA event coming up at the end o=
f
> March, so we're planning on coming up on the Saturday to check things out=
.
>
> To be honest...I'm excited!
>
> Jamie
>
> On Wednesday, March 18, 2026 at 08:58:47 AM EDT, Bob Kramer <
> rkramer56@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> Jamie
>
> We were at a crossroads with our ChampCar TR6 as well. It did its job and
> by my count it helped 6 drivers make the decision to get involved with
> vintage racing. As time went on we made the car faster by adding fuel
> injection and aero and raced with experienced drivers to great effect.
> Everyone had a great time but their focus was on their vintage car and la=
st
> year we did not have enough of us older drivers to make a ChampCar entry
> work. The car sat all year but still starts right up!  This year, we gave
> it one last try at getting enough drivers and we have a group of younger
> drivers and a couple of new drivers, so we have three races planned. The
> fact that COTA is turning itself into a private, high dollar, membership
> only club, and there is one last ChampCar race there in December gave
> people the impetus to sign up. After that,I think the end is near for my
> ChampCar program.
>
> Here's what I know.  My Texas club recently updated our rules and added
> classes for 1985 cars. Other clubs have rules with cut off years that var=
y,
> but the reality of shrinking grids has hit vintage racing clubs and soon
> most will accept more modern cars. In the 1985 SCCA GCR and PCS car weigh=
ts
> are reduced and fiberglass panels are allowable. Modern Fuel injection is
> clearly out, because almost all rules are based on the concept of "period
> correct".  Triumph's fuel injection is allowed. The TR6 has a couple of
> build options, in Former CP, GT2C and former DP in GT3D. The PCS rules ar=
e
> almost identical but the car weight is substantially higher for GT3D.
> You'll want to ditch the bumpers and upgrade the camshaft and valve train=
,
> and most clubs want a period looking paint job. You can run dual SU's or
> Strombergs in GT3D, but you'll want Webers for GT2C.
>
> My car would need a lot of work for a vintage conversion, mostly because
> the bones are so bad. The body is very rough under the panels and the
> floors are literally road signs. It worked for Lemon's, WRL, and
> Chump/Champ, but the driveline is top notch. I'm not sure what I am going
> to do with it going forward but after this year I will make a decision. I
> may pull it apart and move the driveline into a street car.
>
> Bob
>
> On Tue, 17 Mar 2026 at 23:22, Chuck Gee <chasgee22@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi Jamie,
>
> Check out VDCA, https://www.vintagedrive.com/.  I=E2=80=99m down in SC an=
d this
> is the group I race with.  Tracks we race include Roebling Road, VIR, Roa=
d
> Atlanta.  A real easy and friendly group.
>
> You can find the rules on their website.  You are correct about the
> fiberglass and fuel injection, probably the bumpers too.  They look too
> heavy anyway.
>
> Feel free to reach out with any questions.
>
> Chuck Gee
>
> On Mar 17, 2026, at 10:41=E2=80=AFPM, James Palmer <tr6driver@yahoo.com> =
wrote:
>
> =EF=BB=BFOk, friends=E2=80=A6help!
> I finished my TR6 =E2=80=9Cbudget=E2=80=9D endurance race car last year, =
only to find long
> driving stints may no longer work for my hands (long story).  So, one
> thought that occurred to me was to examine what changes I=E2=80=99d need =
to make to
> make it *eligible* (note, not competitive) for vintage.  I=E2=80=99m gues=
sing the
> fiberglass fenders, bumpers and modern fuel injection would have to go,
> right?  Not major issues.  Cosmetically I wanted it pretty nice as long a=
s
> you don=E2=80=99t look TOO close ;-)
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> <image5.jpeg>
>
>
> What else?
>
> Car is prepared to a moderate standard, but very safe.  Has full cage,
> fire suppression, fuel cell, etc.  See pics if they come through.
>
> Are the 200TW DOT tires legal?
>
> Thanks for any recommendations, especially sanctioning bodies in the
> Southeast (I=E2=80=99m in NC).
>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Jamie<div><br></div><div>One last thing. Vintage run group=
s can be smaller than ChampCar. This can mean that you end up out on the tr=
ack with no one to race with.=C2=A0 I hate that!=C2=A0 Hopefully you will f=
ind a group of cars to dice with.=C2=A0 The good thing with a TR6 is that y=
ou can ramp it up or down to fit the need.=C2=A0<br></div><div><br></div><d=
iv>Bob</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><div=
 dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Wed, 18 Mar 2026 at 08:40, Jamie Palme=
r &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:tr6driver@yahoo.com";>tr6driver@yahoo.com</a>&gt; wr=
ote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px=
 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div><div s=
tyle=3D"font-family:&quot;Helvetica Neue&quot;,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;f=
ont-size:16px"><div></div>
        <div dir=3D"ltr">Bob, thanks for the valuable input.=C2=A0 It sound=
s like your thoughts are very similar to mine.=C2=A0 One option is for me t=
o cannibalize the car for the other TR6-based vehicles (my 73 street car, t=
he 2000 Mk. 1 sedan, a Hunter kit car, and a Jamaican kit car), but it turn=
ed out quite nicely (I was lucky enough to start with a fairly solid pile o=
f &quot;bitsa&quot;) and I hate to do that after 5 years building and prepp=
ing the car.</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">The VDCA rule=
s sound quite reasonable, and I don&#39;t think it would be too difficult t=
o find four suitable fenders.=C2=A0 I originally got the engine running on =
a set of 175 CDs anyway, so they are sitting there ready to go.=C2=A0 Hones=
tly, I&#39;m not that worried about being &quot;competitive&quot;, just wou=
ld like to not be the slowest car on track by 5 seconds a lap (Lucky Dog ex=
perience last fall).=C2=A0 Heck, she&#39;s (her name is Lacey) set up to ru=
n on regular unleaded as it&#39;s darned expensive to run premium all weeke=
nd!=C2=A0=C2=A0</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">Thanks aga=
in, friends, and I&#39;ll keep all informed.=C2=A0 Chuck has been kind enou=
gh to invite Cristina and me to the VDCA event coming up at the end of Marc=
h, so we&#39;re planning on coming up on the Saturday to check things out.<=
/div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">To be honest...I&#39;m exc=
ited!</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">Jamie=C2=A0</div><di=
v><br></div>
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                        On Wednesday, March 18, 2026 at 08:58:47 AM EDT, Bo=
b Kramer &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:rkramer56@gmail.com"; target=3D"_blank">rkram=
er56@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:
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                    <div><br></div>
                    <div><br></div>
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                <div><div id=3D"m_990216503063253804ydp3f747457yiv342180037=
2"><div><div dir=3D"ltr">Jamie<div><br clear=3D"none"></div><div>We were at=
 a crossroads with our ChampCar TR6 as well. It did its job and by my count=
 it helped 6 drivers make the decision to get involved with vintage racing.=
 As time went on we made the car faster by adding fuel injection and aero a=
nd raced with experienced=C2=A0drivers to great effect. Everyone had a grea=
t time but their focus was on their vintage car and last year we did not ha=
ve enough of us older drivers to make a ChampCar entry work. The car sat al=
l year but still starts right up!=C2=A0 This year, we gave it one last try =
at getting enough drivers and we have a group of younger drivers and a coup=
le of new drivers, so we have three races planned. The fact that COTA is tu=
rning itself into a private, high dollar, membership only club, and there i=
s one last ChampCar race there in December gave people the impetus to sign =
up. After=C2=A0that,I think the end is near for my ChampCar program.=C2=A0 =
=C2=A0</div><div><br clear=3D"none"></div><div>Here&#39;s what I know.=C2=
=A0 My Texas club recently updated=C2=A0our rules and added classes for 198=
5 cars. Other clubs have rules with cut off years that vary, but the realit=
y of shrinking grids has hit vintage racing clubs and soon most will accept=
 more modern cars. In the 1985 SCCA GCR and PCS car weights are reduced and=
 fiberglass panels are allowable. Modern Fuel injection is clearly out, bec=
ause almost all rules are based on the concept of &quot;period correct&quot=
;.=C2=A0 Triumph&#39;s fuel injection is allowed. The TR6 has a couple of b=
uild options, in Former CP, GT2C and former DP in GT3D. The PCS rules are a=
lmost identical but the car weight is substantially higher for GT3D. You&#3=
9;ll want to ditch the bumpers and upgrade the camshaft and valve train, an=
d most clubs want a period looking paint job. You can run dual SU&#39;s or =
Strombergs in GT3D, but you&#39;ll want Webers for GT2C.<br clear=3D"none">=
</div><div><br clear=3D"none"></div><div>My car would need a lot of work fo=
r a vintage conversion, mostly because the bones are so bad. The body is ve=
ry rough under the panels and the floors are literally road signs. It worke=
d for Lemon&#39;s, WRL, and Chump/Champ, but the driveline is top notch. I&=
#39;m not sure what I am going to do with it going forward but after this y=
ear I will make a decision. I may pull it apart and move the driveline into=
 a street car.</div><div><br clear=3D"none"></div><div>Bob</div></div><br c=
lear=3D"none"><div><div id=3D"m_990216503063253804ydp3f747457yiv3421800372y=
qt06282"><div dir=3D"ltr">On Tue, 17 Mar 2026 at 23:22, Chuck Gee &lt;<a sh=
ape=3D"rect" href=3D"mailto:chasgee22@gmail.com"; rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D=
"_blank">chasgee22@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br clear=3D"none"></div><blockq=
uote style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,20=
4);padding-left:1ex"><div>Hi Jamie,<div><br clear=3D"none"></div><div>Check=
 out VDCA,=C2=A0<a shape=3D"rect" href=3D"https://www.vintagedrive.com/"; re=
l=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank">https://www.vintagedrive.com/</a>.=C2=A0 I=
=E2=80=99m down in SC and this is the group I race with.=C2=A0 Tracks we ra=
ce include Roebling Road, VIR, Road Atlanta.=C2=A0 A real easy and friendly=
 group.</div><div><br clear=3D"none"></div><div>You can find the rules on t=
heir website.=C2=A0 You are correct about the fiberglass and fuel injection=
, probably the bumpers too.=C2=A0 They look too heavy anyway.</div><div><br=
 clear=3D"none"></div><div>Feel free to reach out with any questions.</div>=
<div><br clear=3D"none" id=3D"m_990216503063253804ydp3f747457yiv3421800372m=
_-8543069323078392619lineBreakAtBeginningOfSignature"><div dir=3D"ltr">Chuc=
k Gee</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br clear=3D"none"><blockquote type=3D"cite">On=
 Mar 17, 2026, at 10:41=E2=80=AFPM, James Palmer &lt;<a shape=3D"rect" href=
=3D"mailto:tr6driver@yahoo.com"; rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank">tr6drive=
r@yahoo.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none"></blockquot=
e></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=BF<span>Ok, frien=
ds=E2=80=A6help!</span><br clear=3D"none"><span>I finished my TR6 =E2=80=9C=
budget=E2=80=9D endurance race car last year, only to find long driving sti=
nts may no longer work for my hands (long story).=C2=A0 So, one thought tha=
t occurred to me was to examine what changes I=E2=80=99d need to make to ma=
ke it *eligible* (note, not competitive) for vintage.=C2=A0 I=E2=80=99m gue=
ssing the fiberglass fenders, bumpers and modern fuel injection would have =
to go, right?=C2=A0 Not major issues.=C2=A0 Cosmetically I wanted it pretty=
 nice as long as you don=E2=80=99t look TOO close ;-)</span><div>&lt;image0=
.jpeg&gt;</div><div>&lt;image1.jpeg&gt;</div><div>&lt;image2.jpeg&gt;</div>=
<div>&lt;image3.jpeg&gt;</div><div>&lt;image4.jpeg&gt;</div><div>&lt;image5=
.jpeg&gt;</div><span></span><br clear=3D"none"><span></span><br clear=3D"no=
ne"><span>What else? =C2=A0</span><br clear=3D"none"><span></span><br clear=
=3D"none"><span>Car is prepared to a moderate standard, but very safe.=C2=
=A0 Has full cage, fire suppression, fuel cell, etc.=C2=A0 See pics if they=
 come through.</span><br clear=3D"none"><span></span><br clear=3D"none"><sp=
an>Are the 200TW DOT tires legal?</span><br clear=3D"none"><span></span><br=
 clear=3D"none"><span>Thanks for any recommendations, especially sanctionin=
g bodies in the Southeast (I=E2=80=99m in NC).</span><br clear=3D"none"><sp=
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