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Bob, thanks for the valuable input.=C2=A0 It sounds like your thoughts are=
very similar to mine.=C2=A0 One option is for me to cannibalize the car fo=
r the other TR6-based vehicles (my 73 street car, the 2000 Mk. 1 sedan, a H=
unter kit car, and a Jamaican kit car), but it turned out quite nicely (I w=
as lucky enough to start with a fairly solid pile of "bitsa") and I hate to=
do that after 5 years building and prepping the car.
The VDCA rules sound quite reasonable, and I don't think it would be too di=
fficult to find four suitable fenders.=C2=A0 I originally got the engine ru=
nning on a set of 175 CDs anyway, so they are sitting there ready to go.=C2=
=A0 Honestly, I'm not that worried about being "competitive", just would li=
ke to not be the slowest car on track by 5 seconds a lap (Lucky Dog experie=
nce last fall).=C2=A0 Heck, she's (her name is Lacey) set up to run on regu=
lar unleaded as it's darned expensive to run premium all weekend!=C2=A0=C2=
=A0
Thanks again, friends, and I'll keep all informed.=C2=A0 Chuck has been kin=
d enough to invite Cristina and me to the VDCA event coming up at the end o=
f March, so we're planning on coming up on the Saturday to check things out=
.
To be honest...I'm excited!
Jamie=C2=A0
On Wednesday, March 18, 2026 at 08:58:47 AM EDT, Bob Kramer <rkramer56@=
gmail.com> wrote: =20
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Jamie
We were at a crossroads with our ChampCar TR6 as well. It did its job and b=
y my count it helped 6 drivers make the decision to get involved with vinta=
ge racing. As time went on we made the car faster by adding fuel injection =
and aero and raced with experienced=C2=A0drivers to great effect. Everyone =
had a great time but their focus was on their vintage car and last year we =
did not have enough of us older drivers to make a ChampCar entry work. The =
car sat all year but still starts right up!=C2=A0 This year, we gave it one=
last try at getting enough drivers and we have a group of younger drivers =
and a couple of new drivers, so we have three races planned. The fact that =
COTA is turning itself into a private, high dollar, membership only club, a=
nd there is one last ChampCar race there in December gave people the impetu=
s to sign up. After=C2=A0that,I think the end is near for my ChampCar progr=
am.=C2=A0 =C2=A0
Here's what I know.=C2=A0 My Texas club recently updated=C2=A0our rules and=
added classes for 1985 cars. Other clubs have rules with cut off years tha=
t vary, but the reality of shrinking grids has hit vintage racing clubs and=
soon most will accept more modern cars. In the 1985 SCCA GCR and PCS car w=
eights are reduced and fiberglass panels are allowable. Modern Fuel injecti=
on is clearly out, because almost all rules are based on the concept of "pe=
riod correct".=C2=A0 Triumph's fuel injection is allowed. The TR6 has a cou=
ple of build options, in Former CP, GT2C and former DP in GT3D. The PCS rul=
es are almost identical but the car weight is substantially higher for GT3D=
. You'll want to ditch the bumpers and upgrade the camshaft and valve train=
, and most clubs want a period looking paint job. You can run dual SU's or =
Strombergs in GT3D, but you'll want Webers for GT2C.
My car would need a lot of work for a vintage conversion, mostly because th=
e bones are so bad. The body is very rough under the panels and the floors =
are literally road signs. It worked for Lemon's, WRL, and Chump/Champ, but =
the driveline is top notch. I'm not sure what I am going to do with it goin=
g forward but after this year I will make a decision. I may pull it apart a=
nd move the driveline into a street car.
Bob
On Tue, 17 Mar 2026 at 23:22, Chuck Gee <chasgee22@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Jamie,
Check out VDCA,=C2=A0https://www.vintagedrive.com/.=C2=A0 I=E2=80=99m down =
in SC and this is the group I race with.=C2=A0 Tracks we race include Roebl=
ing Road, VIR, Road Atlanta.=C2=A0 A real easy and friendly group.
You can find the rules on their website.=C2=A0 You are correct about the fi=
berglass and fuel injection, probably the bumpers too.=C2=A0 They look too =
heavy anyway.
Feel free to reach out with any questions.
Chuck Gee
On Mar 17, 2026, at 10:41=E2=80=AFPM, James Palmer <tr6driver@yahoo.com> wr=
ote:
=EF=BB=BFOk, friends=E2=80=A6help!
I finished my TR6 =E2=80=9Cbudget=E2=80=9D endurance race car last year, on=
ly to find long driving stints may no longer work for my hands (long story)=
.=C2=A0 So, one thought that occurred to me was to examine what changes I=
=E2=80=99d need to make to make it *eligible* (note, not competitive) for v=
intage.=C2=A0 I=E2=80=99m guessing the fiberglass fenders, bumpers and mode=
rn fuel injection would have to go, right?=C2=A0 Not major issues.=C2=A0 Co=
smetically I wanted it pretty nice as long as you don=E2=80=99t look TOO cl=
ose ;-)<image0.jpeg><image1.jpeg><image2.jpeg><image3.jpeg><image4.jpeg><im=
age5.jpeg>
What else? =C2=A0
Car is prepared to a moderate standard, but very safe.=C2=A0 Has full cage,=
fire suppression, fuel cell, etc.=C2=A0 See pics if they come through.
Are the 200TW DOT tires legal?
Thanks for any recommendations, especially sanctioning bodies in the Southe=
ast (I=E2=80=99m in NC).
Jamie Palmer_______________________________________________
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<div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">Bob, thanks for the valuable=
input. It sounds like your thoughts are very similar to mine. =
One option is for me to cannibalize the car for the other TR6-based vehicle=
s (my 73 street car, the 2000 Mk. 1 sedan, a Hunter kit car, and a Jamaican=
kit car), but it turned out quite nicely (I was lucky enough to start with=
a fairly solid pile of "bitsa") and I hate to do that after 5 years buildi=
ng and prepping the car.</div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false"><br></=
div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">The VDCA rules sound quite reaso=
nable, and I don't think it would be too difficult to find four suitable fe=
nders. I originally got the engine running on a set of 175 CDs anyway=
, so they are sitting there ready to go. Honestly, I'm not that worri=
ed about being "competitive", just would like to not be the slowest car on =
track by 5 seconds a lap (Lucky Dog experience last fall). Heck, she'=
s (her name is Lacey) set up to run on regular unleaded as it's darned expe=
nsive to run premium all weekend! </div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-se=
tdir=3D"false"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">Thanks agai=
n, friends, and I'll keep all informed. Chuck has been kind enough to=
invite Cristina and me to the VDCA event coming up at the end of March, so=
we're planning on coming up on the Saturday to check things out.</div><div=
dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=
=3D"false">To be honest...I'm excited!</div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D=
"false"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">Jamie </div><=
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On Wednesday, March 18, 2026 at 08:58:47 AM EDT, Bo=
b Kramer <rkramer56@gmail.com> wrote:
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<div><div id=3D"ydp3f747457yiv3421800372"><div><div dir=3D"=
ltr">Jamie<div><br clear=3D"none"></div><div>We were at a crossroads with o=
ur ChampCar TR6 as well. It did its job and by my count it helped 6 drivers=
make the decision to get involved with vintage racing. As time went on we =
made the car faster by adding fuel injection and aero and raced with experi=
enced drivers to great effect. Everyone had a great time but their foc=
us was on their vintage car and last year we did not have enough of us olde=
r drivers to make a ChampCar entry work. The car sat all year but still sta=
rts right up! This year, we gave it one last try at getting enough dr=
ivers and we have a group of younger drivers and a couple of new drivers, s=
o we have three races planned. The fact that COTA is turning itself into a =
private, high dollar, membership only club, and there is one last ChampCar =
race there in December gave people the impetus to sign up. After that,=
I think the end is near for my ChampCar program. </div><div><br=
clear=3D"none"></div><div>Here's what I know. My Texas club recently=
updated our rules and added classes for 1985 cars. Other clubs have r=
ules with cut off years that vary, but the reality of shrinking grids has h=
it vintage racing clubs and soon most will accept more modern cars. In the =
1985 SCCA GCR and PCS car weights are reduced and fiberglass panels are all=
owable. Modern Fuel injection is clearly out, because almost all rules are =
based on the concept of "period correct". Triumph's fuel injection is=
allowed. The TR6 has a couple of build options, in Former CP, GT2C and for=
mer DP in GT3D. The PCS rules are almost identical but the car weight is su=
bstantially higher for GT3D. You'll want to ditch the bumpers and upgrade t=
he camshaft and valve train, and most clubs want a period looking paint job=
. You can run dual SU's or Strombergs in GT3D, but you'll want Webers for G=
T2C.<br clear=3D"none"></div><div><br clear=3D"none"></div><div>My car woul=
d need a lot of work for a vintage conversion, mostly because the bones are=
so bad. The body is very rough under the panels and the floors are literal=
ly road signs. It worked for Lemon's, WRL, and Chump/Champ, but the driveli=
ne is top notch. I'm not sure what I am going to do with it going forward b=
ut after this year I will make a decision. I may pull it apart and move the=
driveline into a street car.</div><div><br clear=3D"none"></div><div>Bob</=
div></div><br clear=3D"none"><div class=3D"ydp3f747457yiv3421800372gmail_qu=
ote ydp3f747457yiv3421800372gmail_quote_container"><div id=3D"ydp3f747457yi=
v3421800372yqt06282" class=3D"ydp3f747457yiv3421800372yqt4479241974"><div d=
ir=3D"ltr" class=3D"ydp3f747457yiv3421800372gmail_attr">On Tue, 17 Mar 2026=
at 23:22, Chuck Gee <<a shape=3D"rect" href=3D"mailto:chasgee22@gmail.c=
om" rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank">chasgee22@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<b=
r clear=3D"none"></div><blockquote style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border=
-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex;" class=3D"ydp3f747457yiv=
3421800372gmail_quote"><div>Hi Jamie,<div><br clear=3D"none"></div><div>Che=
ck out VDCA, <a shape=3D"rect" href=3D"https://www.vintagedrive.com/"; =
rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank">https://www.vintagedrive.com/</a>. =
I=E2=80=99m down in SC and this is the group I race with. Tracks we =
race include Roebling Road, VIR, Road Atlanta. A real easy and friend=
ly group.</div><div><br clear=3D"none"></div><div>You can find the rules on=
their website. You are correct about the fiberglass and fuel injecti=
on, probably the bumpers too. They look too heavy anyway.</div><div><=
br clear=3D"none"></div><div>Feel free to reach out with any questions.</di=
v><div><br clear=3D"none" id=3D"ydp3f747457yiv3421800372m_-8543069323078392=
619lineBreakAtBeginningOfSignature"><div dir=3D"ltr">Chuck Gee</div><div di=
r=3D"ltr"><br clear=3D"none"><blockquote type=3D"cite">On Mar 17, 2026, at =
10:41=E2=80=AFPM, James Palmer <<a shape=3D"rect" href=3D"mailto:tr6driv=
er@yahoo.com" rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank">tr6driver@yahoo.com</a>>=
; wrote:<br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none"></blockquote></div><blockquot=
e type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=BF<span>Ok, friends=E2=80=A6help!</=
span><br clear=3D"none"><span>I finished my TR6 =E2=80=9Cbudget=E2=80=9D en=
durance race car last year, only to find long driving stints may no longer =
work for my hands (long story). So, one thought that occurred to me w=
as to examine what changes I=E2=80=99d need to make to make it *eligible* (=
note, not competitive) for vintage. I=E2=80=99m guessing the fibergla=
ss fenders, bumpers and modern fuel injection would have to go, right? =
; Not major issues. Cosmetically I wanted it pretty nice as long as y=
ou don=E2=80=99t look TOO close ;-)</span><div><image0.jpeg></div><di=
v><image1.jpeg></div><div><image2.jpeg></div><div><image3.jp=
eg></div><div><image4.jpeg></div><div><image5.jpeg></div><sp=
an></span><br clear=3D"none"><span></span><br clear=3D"none"><span>What els=
e? </span><br clear=3D"none"><span></span><br clear=3D"none"><span>Ca=
r is prepared to a moderate standard, but very safe. Has full cage, f=
ire suppression, fuel cell, etc. See pics if they come through.</span=
><br clear=3D"none"><span></span><br clear=3D"none"><span>Are the 200TW DOT=
tires legal?</span><br clear=3D"none"><span></span><br clear=3D"none"><spa=
n>Thanks for any recommendations, especially sanctioning bodies in the Sout=
heast (I=E2=80=99m in NC).</span><br clear=3D"none"><span></span><br clear=
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