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| Subject: | Re: [Zmagnette] Wiring diagrams and windscreens <zmagnette@autox.team.net> <zmagnette.autox.team.net> |
| From: | Allen Bachelder <bachldrs@comcast.net> |
| Date: | Fri, 6 Dec 2013 19:39:47 -0500 |
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Perkins,
I can only respond for myself. For $2, it's a no-brainer. I can't =
imagine where I'd draw the line, but it's a no-brainer for a lot more =
than $2. As long as it doesn't turn into 1" squares when blown up to 11 =
X 17, I'm happy to pay $2. ' Hope you would accept Paypal. That would =
mean I could order and pay for it electronically, you could send it to =
me electronically, I could email it to Fedex/Kinkos or UPS. The only =
real thing I have do is drive down and pick it up. Just let me know =
when the store opens. And this comes from a member who has already =
wired his Magnette...
Holiday Cheers,
Allen
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Allen & Florrie Bachelder =3Diii=3D<
Spring Creek Home for Wayward MGs
'57 ZB, '65 B, '69 C/GT, '73 B/GT
North Street, MI 48049, USA
http://www.mgexperience.net/member/bachldrs
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On Dec 6, 2013, at 4:24 PM, John Perkins wrote:
> Allen:
> The longest time for me to build the wiring diagram in Visio is =
the time to build the icons for the various components to look as much =
like the original diagram as possible. Would $2.00 a copy for PDFs be =
too much? That way people who want to print it can take the PDF to =
their nearest Kinko's and those who like to use a PC or tablet could use =
it electronically. Also, I will need some input about what size most =
folks would want it to be for printing and the corrections that need to =
made. I know about the wiper motor, and I'll check about the clock when =
I get home tonight, are there any more problems?
> Perkins
> =20
> On 12/6/2013 1:30 PM, Allen Bachelder wrote:
>> Perkins,
>>=20
>> I think your idea sounds like a plan, but I also think you should be =
paid for your time and effort. If you could hang a price tag on the =
completed item, perhaps we could price it out and have folks receive the =
PDF file once they're paid, or maybe there are a handful of us on the =
list who just want to kick in enough that you would be comfortable =
distributing it to all. What works for you?
>>=20
>> Thanks!
>> Allen
>> ****************************************************************
>> Allen & Florrie Bachelder =3Diii=3D<
>> Spring Creek Home for Wayward MGs
>> '57 ZB, '65 B, '69 C/GT, '73 B/GT
>> North Street, MI 48049, USA
>> http://www.mgexperience.net/member/bachldrs
>> ****************************************************************
>>=20
>> On Dec 6, 2013, at 12:51 PM, John Perkins wrote:
>>=20
>>> Rick and Allen:
>>> As I'm sitting in hotel rooms, I could reproduce the wiring =
diagram in Visio and color the wires in as correct a color as Visio will =
allow. Then output it as a PDF file that anyone could print on either =
8.5 by 11 or 11 by 17 paper. We could even use this to fix the problem =
with the wiper motor wiring that is in the factory shop manual.
>>> Perkins
>>>=20
>>> On 12/6/2013 11:07 AM, Richard Greenberg wrote:
>>>> Allen et al.,
>>>>=20
>>>> Regarding (1): I would be happy to scan the wiring diagrams from =
the shop manual. My scanner is a cheap hp printer, but it could produce =
a workable digital image. Then anyone could print and laminate their =
own from the digital file. =20
>>>>=20
>>>> If you want an artistic version, suitable for framing, you might =
want to use a better scanner though.
>>>>=20
>>>> Let me know if you want a digital scan.
>>>>=20
>>>> --Rick
>>>>=20
>>>> On Dec 5, 2013, at 11:28 PM, Allen Bachelder wrote:
>>>>=20
>>>>> In a recent phone conversation with one of our own, two concerns =
arose which I promised to address about a week ago. I apologize for the =
delay, but my past week has been memorable for its interruptions. =20
>>>>>=20
>>>>> Two questions:
>>>>> 1.) Is there somebody in our noble band who either could or would =
be interested in making up enlarged wiring diagrams for the Magnette. I =
know there are at least four of them, and maybe some choices would have =
to be made, but did somebody volunteer that they could provide an 11 X =
17 wiring diagram copy either laminated or suitable for lamination? If =
you are not such a person but have access to equipment that could =
produce same, for a PRICE of course, I can guaranty you sales of two of =
these from the get-go. I know we discussed this at some time but cannot =
recall how we left it.
>>>>>=20
>>>>> 2.) We also focused on a windscreen thread a year or two ago, and =
somebody found that Pilkington (?name?) had a US distribution center =
(somewhere in Ohio?) from which we might be able to expect a supply of =
new windscreens. Is there a follow-up story here? There are those of us =
who either need one or would buy one as a spare should they become =
available. Once again, any new information about this would certainly =
be welcome. I know the nightmare Steve Hanegan went through to land a =
shipment of windscreens and rear Varitone glasses here in the US of A. =
I suspect a good many of those of us of the Varitone persuasion would be =
cheered to find a stash of these bits available in North America, but I =
wouldn't wish this task on Steve again for anything. So... can anybody =
report anything new on this concern?
>>>>>=20
>>>>> Many thanks to anybody who can contribute to this conversation!
>>>>>=20
>>>>> Holiday Cheers,
>>>>> Allen
>>>>> ****************************************************************
>>>>> Allen & Florrie Bachelder =3Diii=3D<
>>>>> Spring Creek Home for Wayward MGs
>>>>> '57 ZB, '65 B, '69 C/GT, '73 B/GT
>>>>> North Street, MI 48049, USA
>>>>> http://www.mgexperience.net/member/bachldrs
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">Perkins,<div><br></div><div>I can only respond for myself. For =
$2, it's a no-brainer. I can't imagine where I'd draw the line, but it's =
a no-brainer for a lot more than $2. As long as it doesn't turn into 1" =
squares when blown up to 11 X 17, I'm happy to pay $2. ' Hope you =
would accept Paypal. That would mean I could order and pay for it =
electronically, you could send it to me electronically, I could email it =
to Fedex/Kinkos or UPS. The only real thing I have do is drive =
down and pick it up. Just let me know when the store opens. =
And this comes from a member who has already wired his =
Magnette...</div><div><br></div><div>Holiday =
Cheers,</div><div>Allen</div><div><div>
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<div class=3D"moz-cite-prefix">Allen:<br>
The longest time for me to build the wiring =
diagram in Visio
is the time to build the icons for the various components to look
as much like the original diagram as possible. Would $2.00 a =
copy
for PDFs be too much? That way people who want to print it =
can
take the PDF to their nearest Kinko's and those who like to use a
PC or tablet could use it electronically. Also, I will need =
some
input about what size most folks would want it to be for printing
and the corrections that need to made. I know about the =
wiper
motor, and I'll check about the clock when I get home tonight, are
there any more problems?<br>
Perkins<br>
<br>
On 12/6/2013 1:30 PM, Allen Bachelder wrote:<br>
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<div>I think your idea sounds like a plan, but I also think you
should be paid for your time and effort. If you could hang =
a
price tag on the completed item, perhaps we could price it out
and have folks receive the PDF file once they're paid, or maybe
there are a handful of us on the list who just want to kick in
enough that you would be comfortable distributing it to all.
What works for you?</div>
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<div>Thanks!</div>
<div>Allen<br>
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<div>On Dec 6, 2013, at 12:51 PM, John Perkins wrote:</div>
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<div class=3D"moz-cite-prefix">Rick and Allen:<br>
As I'm sitting in hotel rooms, I =
could reproduce the
wiring diagram in Visio and color the wires in as
correct a color as Visio will allow. Then output =
it as
a PDF file that anyone could print on either 8.5 by 11
or 11 by 17 paper. We could even use this to fix =
the
problem with the wiper motor wiring that is in the
factory shop manual.<br>
Perkins<br>
<br>
On 12/6/2013 11:07 AM, Richard Greenberg wrote:<br>
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<div>Allen et al.,</div>
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<div>Regarding (1): I would be happy to scan the =
wiring
diagrams from the shop manual. My scanner is a =
cheap
hp printer, but it could produce a workable digital
image. Then anyone could print and laminate =
their own
from the digital file. </div>
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<div>If you want an artistic version, suitable for
framing, you might want to use a better scanner
though.</div>
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<div>Let me know if you want a digital scan.</div>
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<div>--Rick</div>
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<div>On Dec 5, 2013, at 11:28 PM, Allen Bachelder
wrote:</div>
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<div style=3D"word-wrap: break-word;
-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break:
after-white-space; ">In a recent phone
conversation with one of our own, two concerns
arose which I promised to address about a week
ago. I apologize for the delay, but my past =
week
has been memorable for its interruptions.
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<div>Two questions:</div>
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<div>1.) Is there somebody in our noble =
band
who either could or would be interested in
making up enlarged wiring diagrams for the
Magnette. I know there are at least four of
them, and maybe some choices would have to be
made, but did somebody volunteer that they
could provide an 11 X 17 wiring diagram copy
either laminated or suitable for lamination?
If you are not such a person but have access
to equipment that could produce same, for a
PRICE of course, I can guaranty you sales of
two of these from the get-go. I know we
discussed this at some time but cannot recall
how we left it.</div>
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<div>2.) We also focused on a windscreen thread
a year or two ago, and somebody found that
Pilkington (?name?) had a US distribution
center (somewhere in Ohio?) from which we
might be able to expect a supply of new
windscreens. Is there a follow-up story =
here?
There are those of us who either need one or
would buy one as a spare should they become
available. Once again, any new =
information
about this would certainly be welcome. I =
know
the nightmare Steve Hanegan went through to
land a shipment of windscreens and rear
Varitone glasses here in the US of A. I
suspect a good many of those of us of the
Varitone persuasion would be cheered to find a
stash of these bits available in North
America, but I wouldn't wish this task on
Steve again for anything. So... can =
anybody
report anything new on this concern?</div>
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Many thanks to anybody who can contribute to this
conversation!
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<div>Holiday Cheers,</div>
<div>Allen<br>
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