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I won't pay $2.00. That is ridiculous! I would gladly pay $5.00 =
however, as the joy of having it in color is PRICELESS! My choice would =
be 11 x 17 or 12 x 18 . . . in that range. Bigger OK, smaller no. I've =
done the wiring on a couple of cars, and can't 'splain strongly enuf how =
very helpful a good, readable, color-coded schematic is. Maybe its cuz =
I'm not the electronic genius that some of you are, but a good, readable =
schematic has gotten me through a couple of times, with no fires or =
shorts.
#2SteveK
----- Original Message -----=20
From: John Perkins=20
To: List for the Z Magnette Group - North America=20
Sent: Friday, December 06, 2013 1:24 PM
Subject: Re: [Zmagnette] Wiring diagrams and windscreens
Allen:
The longest time for me to build the wiring diagram in Visio is =
the time to build the icons for the various components to look as much =
like the original diagram as possible. Would $2.00 a copy for PDFs be =
too much? That way people who want to print it can take the PDF to =
their nearest Kinko's and those who like to use a PC or tablet could use =
it electronically. Also, I will need some input about what size most =
folks would want it to be for printing and the corrections that need to =
made. I know about the wiper motor, and I'll check about the clock when =
I get home tonight, are there any more problems?
Perkins
=20
On 12/6/2013 1:30 PM, Allen Bachelder wrote:
Perkins,=20
I think your idea sounds like a plan, but I also think you should be =
paid for your time and effort. If you could hang a price tag on the =
completed item, perhaps we could price it out and have folks receive the =
PDF file once they're paid, or maybe there are a handful of us on the =
list who just want to kick in enough that you would be comfortable =
distributing it to all. What works for you?
Thanks!
Allen
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Allen & Florrie Bachelder =3Diii=3D<
Spring Creek Home for Wayward MGs
'57 ZB, '65 B, '69 C/GT, '73 B/GT
North Street, MI 48049, USA
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On Dec 6, 2013, at 12:51 PM, John Perkins wrote:
Rick and Allen:
As I'm sitting in hotel rooms, I could reproduce the wiring =
diagram in Visio and color the wires in as correct a color as Visio will =
allow. Then output it as a PDF file that anyone could print on either =
8.5 by 11 or 11 by 17 paper. We could even use this to fix the problem =
with the wiper motor wiring that is in the factory shop manual.
Perkins
On 12/6/2013 11:07 AM, Richard Greenberg wrote:
Allen et al.,
Regarding (1): I would be happy to scan the wiring diagrams =
from the shop manual. My scanner is a cheap hp printer, but it could =
produce a workable digital image. Then anyone could print and laminate =
their own from the digital file. =20
If you want an artistic version, suitable for framing, you might =
want to use a better scanner though.
Let me know if you want a digital scan.
--Rick
On Dec 5, 2013, at 11:28 PM, Allen Bachelder wrote:
In a recent phone conversation with one of our own, two =
concerns arose which I promised to address about a week ago. I =
apologize for the delay, but my past week has been memorable for its =
interruptions. =20
Two questions:
1.) Is there somebody in our noble band who either could or =
would be interested in making up enlarged wiring diagrams for the =
Magnette. I know there are at least four of them, and maybe some choices =
would have to be made, but did somebody volunteer that they could =
provide an 11 X 17 wiring diagram copy either laminated or suitable for =
lamination? If you are not such a person but have access to equipment =
that could produce same, for a PRICE of course, I can guaranty you sales =
of two of these from the get-go. I know we discussed this at some time =
but cannot recall how we left it.
2.) We also focused on a windscreen thread a year or two =
ago, and somebody found that Pilkington (?name?) had a US distribution =
center (somewhere in Ohio?) from which we might be able to expect a =
supply of new windscreens. Is there a follow-up story here? There are =
those of us who either need one or would buy one as a spare should they =
become available. Once again, any new information about this would =
certainly be welcome. I know the nightmare Steve Hanegan went through =
to land a shipment of windscreens and rear Varitone glasses here in the =
US of A. I suspect a good many of those of us of the Varitone =
persuasion would be cheered to find a stash of these bits available in =
North America, but I wouldn't wish this task on Steve again for =
anything. So... can anybody report anything new on this concern?
Many thanks to anybody who can contribute to this =
conversation!=20
Holiday Cheers,
Allen
=
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Allen & Florrie Bachelder =3Diii=3D<
Spring Creek Home for Wayward MGs
'57 ZB, '65 B, '69 C/GT, '73 B/GT
North Street, MI 48049, USA
http://www.mgexperience.net/member/bachldrs=20
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<DIV>I won't pay $2.00. That is ridiculous! I would gladly =
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would be=20
11 x 17 or 12 x 18 . . . in that range. Bigger OK, smaller =
no. I've=20
done the wiring on a couple of cars, and can't 'splain strongly =
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very helpful a good, readable, color-coded schematic is. =
Maybe its=20
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readable=20
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Zmagnette] Wiring =
diagrams=20
and windscreens</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV class=3Dmoz-cite-prefix>Allen:<BR> The longest =
time for=20
me to build the wiring diagram in Visio is the time to build the icons =
for the=20
various components to look as much like the original diagram as=20
possible. Would $2.00 a copy for PDFs be too much? That =
way people=20
who want to print it can take the PDF to their nearest Kinko's and =
those who=20
like to use a PC or tablet could use it electronically. Also, I =
will=20
need some input about what size most folks would want it to be for =
printing=20
and the corrections that need to made. I know about the wiper =
motor, and=20
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<DIV>I think your idea sounds like a plan, but I also think you =
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on the=20
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list who=20
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<DIV>Thanks!</DIV>
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<DIV>On Dec 6, 2013, at 12:51 PM, John Perkins wrote:</DIV><BR=20
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<DIV class=3Dmoz-cite-prefix>Rick and Allen:<BR> =
As I'm=20
sitting in hotel rooms, I could reproduce the wiring diagram in =
Visio and=20
color the wires in as correct a color as Visio will allow. =
Then=20
output it as a PDF file that anyone could print on either 8.5 by =
11 or 11=20
by 17 paper. We could even use this to fix the problem with =
the=20
wiper motor wiring that is in the factory shop=20
manual.<BR> Perkins<BR><BR>On 12/6/2013 11:07 =
AM,=20
Richard Greenberg wrote:<BR></DIV>
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cite=3Dmid:9F7BE024-72B1-496F-85BD-38F5D0EEE581@lpl.arizona.edu=20
type=3D"cite">
<DIV>Allen et al.,</DIV>
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<DIV>Regarding (1): I would be happy to scan the wiring =
diagrams=20
from the shop manual. My scanner is a cheap hp printer, =
but it=20
could produce a workable digital image. Then anyone could =
print=20
and laminate their own from the digital file. </DIV>
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<DIV>If you want an artistic version, suitable for framing, you =
might=20
want to use a better scanner though.</DIV>
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<DIV>Let me know if you want a digital scan.</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>--Rick</DIV><BR>
<DIV>
<DIV>On Dec 5, 2013, at 11:28 PM, Allen Bachelder =
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<DIV=20
style=3D"WORD-WRAP: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; =
-webkit-line-break: after-white-space">In=20
a recent phone conversation with one of our own, two concerns =
arose=20
which I promised to address about a week ago. I =
apologize for=20
the delay, but my past week has been memorable for its =
interruptions.=20
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<DIV>Two questions:</DIV>
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<DIV>1.) Is there somebody in our noble band who =
either could=20
or would be interested in making up enlarged wiring diagrams =
for the=20
Magnette. I know there are at least four of them, and maybe =
some=20
choices would have to be made, but did somebody volunteer =
that they=20
could provide an 11 X 17 wiring diagram copy either =
laminated or=20
suitable for lamination? If you are not such a person but =
have=20
access to equipment that could produce same, for a PRICE of =
course,=20
I can guaranty you sales of two of these from the get-go. =
I=20
know we discussed this at some time but cannot recall how we =
left=20
it.</DIV>
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<DIV>2.) We also focused on a windscreen thread a year or =
two ago,=20
and somebody found that Pilkington (?name?) had a US =
distribution=20
center (somewhere in Ohio?) from which we might be able to =
expect a=20
supply of new windscreens. Is there a follow-up story =
here?=20
There are those of us who either need one or would buy one =
as a=20
spare should they become available. Once again, any =
new=20
information about this would certainly be welcome. I =
know the=20
nightmare Steve Hanegan went through to land a shipment of=20
windscreens and rear Varitone glasses here in the US of A. =
I=20
suspect a good many of those of us of the Varitone =
persuasion would=20
be cheered to find a stash of these bits available in North =
America,=20
but I wouldn't wish this task on Steve again for anything.=20
So... can anybody report anything new on this =
concern?</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE>Many thanks to anybody who can =
contribute=20
to this conversation!=20
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>Holiday Cheers,</DIV>
<DIV>Allen<BR>
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