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| Subject: | Re: [Zmagnette] Wiring diagrams and windscreens <zmagnette@autox.team.net> <zmagnette.autox.team.net> |
| From: | John Perkins <wrench@attglobal.net> |
| Date: | Fri, 06 Dec 2013 15:24:22 -0600 |
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Allen:
The longest time for me to build the wiring diagram in Visio is the
time to build the icons for the various components to look as much like
the original diagram as possible. Would $2.00 a copy for PDFs be too
much? That way people who want to print it can take the PDF to their
nearest Kinko's and those who like to use a PC or tablet could use it
electronically. Also, I will need some input about what size most folks
would want it to be for printing and the corrections that need to made.
I know about the wiper motor, and I'll check about the clock when I get
home tonight, are there any more problems?
Perkins
On 12/6/2013 1:30 PM, Allen Bachelder wrote:
> Perkins,
>
> I think your idea sounds like a plan, but I also think you should be
> paid for your time and effort. If you could hang a price tag on the
> completed item, perhaps we could price it out and have folks receive
> the PDF file once they're paid, or maybe there are a handful of us on
> the list who just want to kick in enough that you would be comfortable
> distributing it to all. What works for you?
>
> Thanks!
> Allen
> */****************************************************************/*
> */Allen & Florrie Bachelder =iii=<
> Spring Creek Home for Wayward MGs/*
> */'57 ZB, '65 B, '69 C/GT, '73 B/GT/*
> */North Street, MI 48049, USA/*
> */http://www.mgexperience.net/member/bachldrs/*
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> On Dec 6, 2013, at 12:51 PM, John Perkins wrote:
>
>> Rick and Allen:
>> As I'm sitting in hotel rooms, I could reproduce the wiring
>> diagram in Visio and color the wires in as correct a color as Visio
>> will allow. Then output it as a PDF file that anyone could print on
>> either 8.5 by 11 or 11 by 17 paper. We could even use this to fix
>> the problem with the wiper motor wiring that is in the factory shop
>> manual.
>> Perkins
>>
>> On 12/6/2013 11:07 AM, Richard Greenberg wrote:
>>> Allen et al.,
>>>
>>> Regarding (1): I would be happy to scan the wiring diagrams from
>>> the shop manual. My scanner is a cheap hp printer, but it could
>>> produce a workable digital image. Then anyone could print and
>>> laminate their own from the digital file.
>>>
>>> If you want an artistic version, suitable for framing, you might
>>> want to use a better scanner though.
>>>
>>> Let me know if you want a digital scan.
>>>
>>> --Rick
>>>
>>> On Dec 5, 2013, at 11:28 PM, Allen Bachelder wrote:
>>>
>>>> In a recent phone conversation with one of our own, two concerns
>>>> arose which I promised to address about a week ago. I apologize
>>>> for the delay, but my past week has been memorable for its
>>>> interruptions.
>>>>
>>>> Two questions:
>>>>
>>>> 1.) Is there somebody in our noble band who either could or
>>>> would be interested in making up enlarged wiring diagrams for
>>>> the Magnette. I know there are at least four of them, and maybe
>>>> some choices would have to be made, but did somebody volunteer
>>>> that they could provide an 11 X 17 wiring diagram copy either
>>>> laminated or suitable for lamination? If you are not such a
>>>> person but have access to equipment that could produce same,
>>>> for a PRICE of course, I can guaranty you sales of two of these
>>>> from the get-go. I know we discussed this at some time but
>>>> cannot recall how we left it.
>>>>
>>>> 2.) We also focused on a windscreen thread a year or two ago,
>>>> and somebody found that Pilkington (?name?) had a US
>>>> distribution center (somewhere in Ohio?) from which we might be
>>>> able to expect a supply of new windscreens. Is there a
>>>> follow-up story here? There are those of us who either need one
>>>> or would buy one as a spare should they become available. Once
>>>> again, any new information about this would certainly be
>>>> welcome. I know the nightmare Steve Hanegan went through to
>>>> land a shipment of windscreens and rear Varitone glasses here
>>>> in the US of A. I suspect a good many of those of us of the
>>>> Varitone persuasion would be cheered to find a stash of these
>>>> bits available in North America, but I wouldn't wish this task
>>>> on Steve again for anything. So... can anybody report anything
>>>> new on this concern?
>>>>
>>>> Many thanks to anybody who can contribute to this conversation!
>>>>
>>>> Holiday Cheers,
>>>> Allen
>>>> */****************************************************************/*
>>>> */Allen & Florrie Bachelder =iii=<
>>>> Spring Creek Home for Wayward MGs/*
>>>> */'57 ZB, '65 B, '69 C/GT, '73 B/GT/*
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Allen:<br>
The longest time for me to build the wiring diagram in
Visio
is the time to build the icons for the various components to look
as much like the original diagram as possible. Would $2.00 a copy
for PDFs be too much? That way people who want to print it can
take the PDF to their nearest Kinko's and those who like to use a
PC or tablet could use it electronically. Also, I will need some
input about what size most folks would want it to be for printing
and the corrections that need to made. I know about the wiper
motor, and I'll check about the clock when I get home tonight, are
there any more problems?<br>
Perkins<br>
<br>
On 12/6/2013 1:30 PM, Allen Bachelder wrote:<br>
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<div>I think your idea sounds like a plan, but I also think you
should be paid for your time and effort. If you could hang a
price tag on the completed item, perhaps we could price it out
and have folks receive the PDF file once they're paid, or maybe
there are a handful of us on the list who just want to kick in
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<div>Thanks!</div>
<div>Allen<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Rick and Allen:<br>
As I'm sitting in hotel rooms, I could
reproduce the
wiring diagram in Visio and color the wires in as
correct a color as Visio will allow. Then output it as
a PDF file that anyone could print on either 8.5 by 11
or 11 by 17 paper. We could even use this to fix the
problem with the wiper motor wiring that is in the
factory shop manual.<br>
Perkins<br>
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On 12/6/2013 11:07 AM, Richard Greenberg wrote:<br>
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<div>Regarding (1): I would be happy to scan the wiring
diagrams from the shop manual. My scanner is a cheap
hp printer, but it could produce a workable digital
image. Then anyone could print and laminate their own
from the digital file. </div>
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<div>If you want an artistic version, suitable for
framing, you might want to use a better scanner
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<div>Let me know if you want a digital scan.</div>
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<div>On Dec 5, 2013, at 11:28 PM, Allen Bachelder
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conversation with one of our own, two concerns
arose which I promised to address about a week
ago. I apologize for the delay, but my past week
has been memorable for its interruptions.
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<div>Two questions:</div>
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<div>1.) Is there somebody in our noble band
who either could or would be interested in
making up enlarged wiring diagrams for the
Magnette. I know there are at least four of
them, and maybe some choices would have to be
made, but did somebody volunteer that they
could provide an 11 X 17 wiring diagram copy
either laminated or suitable for lamination?
If you are not such a person but have access
to equipment that could produce same, for a
PRICE of course, I can guaranty you sales of
two of these from the get-go. I know we
discussed this at some time but cannot recall
how we left it.</div>
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<div>2.) We also focused on a windscreen thread
a year or two ago, and somebody found that
Pilkington (?name?) had a US distribution
center (somewhere in Ohio?) from which we
might be able to expect a supply of new
windscreens. Is there a follow-up story here?
There are those of us who either need one or
would buy one as a spare should they become
available. Once again, any new information
about this would certainly be welcome. I know
the nightmare Steve Hanegan went through to
land a shipment of windscreens and rear
Varitone glasses here in the US of A. I
suspect a good many of those of us of the
Varitone persuasion would be cheered to find a
stash of these bits available in North
America, but I wouldn't wish this task on
Steve again for anything. So... can anybody
report anything new on this concern?</div>
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Many thanks to anybody who can contribute to this
conversation!
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<div>Holiday Cheers,</div>
<div>Allen<br>
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