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from [Steve Kirby] [Permanent Link][Original]
To: "List for the Z Magnette Group - North America" <zmagnette@autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Zmagnette] Engine Clatter & pressure drop <zmagnette@autox.team.net> <zmagnette.autox.team.net>
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broke a crank on an XPAG in the TD.  Engine would start, and actually =
run.  Could even drive it.  Broke at sort of a 45, under a main bearing =
cap.  Wished I had the same source for a crank as Hugh.  Mine was about =
a thousand bucks for starters, and then we started rebuilding the engine =
after that . . . an engine supposedly rebuilt when I bought the car . . =
.  maybe not so much.

Good luck!  Mostly, may your "luck" be far better than mine.

#2SteveK
  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: Allen Bachelder=20
  To: jenntoo@shaw.ca ; List for the Z Magnette Group - North America=20
  Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2013 11:26 AM
  Subject: Re: [Zmagnette] Engine Clatter & pressure drop


  My old self-imposed ceiling of 3500 rpm (for cruising, not =
accelerating) just keeps making more and more sense...


  With the 4.3 rear end, the XPAG will go around 60 at 3500 rpm.  I'm =
starting to think that the stress I think I hear is real stress indeed.  =
Along with the XPAG, I can neither tolerate the sound of a B block =
"cruising" at much over 3500 rpm.  I'm told I'm horribly wrong and that =
the B blocks will run all day at 4400 rpm.  My own ears protect me from =
testing that theory.  You get much over 3500 and I simply cannot stand =
to listen to it.  I'm no longer enjoying the drive, so why would I be =
driving this car anyway?


  FWIW,
  Allen

  ****************************************************************
  Allen & Florrie Bachelder       =3Diii=3D<
  Spring Creek Home for Wayward MGs
  '57 ZB, '65 B, '69 C/GT, '73 B/GT
  North Street, MI 48049, USA
  http://www.mgexperience.net/member/bachldrs
  ****************************************************************


  On Nov 11, 2013, at 9:59 PM, <jenntoo@shaw.ca> <jenntoo@shaw.ca> =
wrote:


    Easy to tell if it is a broken crank.  Take off or loosen the fan =
belt and see if you can easily move the crankshaft pulley a few degrees =
in either direction.  If you can the crank is almost certainly broken.  =
The "T" series cranks break whether the engine has been recently rebuilt =
or not and breakage appears independant of the engine overall condition. =
 The thought is that a harmonic vibration sets up in the crank at about =
4100 rpm and finally fatigues the crank and it breaks.  With the stump =
pulling 5.125 rear ratio 4100 rpm is around 60mph.  Do yourself a favour =
and change the ratio to 4.3:1.
        I broke one in the late 60's.  Picked up a used crank for $25 =
from a Worseley 4/44, had it ground, picked up a complete set of =
bearings, pulled the motor, took off the pan and installed the 4/44 =
crank.  Nothing else was done.  After I had the parts this was done in =
less than one day and I drove the car for 10 years without any =
problem-mostly in the city of Sydney OZ.
                 Hugh Pite
      ----- Original Message -----
      From: Allen Bachelder
      To: List for the Z Magnette Group - North America
      Sent: Monday, November 11, 2013 6:12 PM
      Subject: Re: [Zmagnette] Engine Clatter & pressure drop


      OK, 5# oil pressure tells you it's hemorrhaging some place.  If =
it's a bearing, why should just one bearing catastrophically fail?  I =
rather like the broken crankshaft theory.  A friend of mine had that =
happen recently with his TF. As to repair, you can always get by for =
some time with a minimalist approach if you don't drive it too hard or =
too much.  If all you do is take it out on 40 mph club tours - about 500 =
miles per year, then that might be OK. If you want it right, do what it =
takes to make it right.  You may have to pull and disassemble quite a =
bit before you have your answer - and by that time, it will not make =
economic sense to put it back together with a minimal repair.  Most of =
us don't want to go this way more than once...


      OTOH, a friend had to shut his TD down in Kansas on the Rallye to =
Reno due to a horrible clatter that, after a tow back to Michigan, =
turned out to be valve gear banging on an ill-centered valve cover! Of =
course that was not associated with a loss of oil pressure...


      FWIW,
      Allen

      ****************************************************************
      Allen & Florrie Bachelder       =3Diii=3D<
      Spring Creek Home for Wayward MGs
      '57 ZB, '65 B, '69 C/GT, '73 B/GT
      North Street, MI 48049, USA
      http://www.mgexperience.net/member/bachldrs
      ****************************************************************


      On Nov 11, 2013, at 7:36 PM, Richard Greenberg wrote:


        Still plenty of oil.  After I stopped, I restarted the engine to =
drive it slowly a few hundred feet to a safe spot off the highway.  The =
engine has never been rebuilt to my knowledge, but who knows its =
history? I have owned it about 15 years. It has always run fine, =
although not super peppy. =20

        If it proves to be a bearing, does one just fix the offending =
bearing, or is it a sign that everything is about to need redoing?

        I haven't had time to look at the rockers or the bearings.

        --Rick


        On Nov 11, 2013, at 5:25 PM, Steven Trovato wrote:


          Rick,



          I think you have to investigate the problem before you can =
decide on a course of action.  Sorry for stating the obvious, but there =
is still  plenty of oil in there, right?  If something failed causing =
all the oil to pour out on that hill, you would have a sudden drop in =
oil pressure and a whole lot of clatter.  What is the state of this =
engine?  Recent rebuild or old and tired?



          -Steve T.



          At 06:40 PM 11/11/2013, Richard Greenberg wrote:

            Hi all,

                This is about my TD, but I bet you folks can help.

                I decided to drive the TD, instead of my Magnette, to =
our British car club's annual BBQ.  About 25 miles out, running at about =
50 mph uphill but not too hot, the engine started clattering and the oil =
pressure suddenly dropped to about 5 psi.  I had the poor car carried =
home.

                Any ideas about what happened? Rod bearing wiped out? =
Broken rocker arm?

                If it is one of those things, should I just make the =
repair, or is it time to have the whole engine rejuvenated?

            Thanks,

            Rick



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<DIV>broke a crank on an XPAG in the TD.&nbsp; Engine would start, and =
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run.&nbsp; Could even drive it.&nbsp; Broke at sort of a 45, under a =
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bearing cap.&nbsp; Wished I had the same source for a crank as =
Hugh.&nbsp; Mine=20
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the=20
engine after that . . . an engine supposedly rebuilt when I bought the =
car . .=20
.&nbsp; maybe not so much.</DIV>
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<DIV>Good luck!&nbsp; Mostly, may your "luck" be far better than =
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  <DIV><BR></DIV>My old self-imposed ceiling of 3500 rpm (for cruising, =
not=20
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&nbsp;I'm=20
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indeed.=20
  &nbsp;Along with the XPAG, I can neither tolerate the sound of a B =
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and that=20
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  <DIV>On Nov 11, 2013, at 9:59 PM, &lt;<A=20
  href=3D"mailto:jenntoo@shaw.ca";>jenntoo@shaw.ca</A>&gt; &lt;<A=20
  href=3D"mailto:jenntoo@shaw.ca";>jenntoo@shaw.ca</A>&gt; =
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    <DIV><STRONG><FONT size=3D4>Easy to tell if it is a broken =
crank.&nbsp; Take=20
    off or loosen the fan belt and see if you can easily move the =
crankshaft=20
    pulley a few degrees in either direction.&nbsp; If you can the crank =
is=20
    almost certainly broken.&nbsp; The "T" series cranks break whether =
the=20
    engine has been recently rebuilt or not and breakage appears =
independant of=20
    the engine overall condition.&nbsp; The thought is that a harmonic =
vibration=20
    sets up in the crank at about 4100 rpm and finally fatigues the =
crank and it=20
    breaks.&nbsp; With the stump pulling 5.125 rear ratio 4100 rpm is =
around=20
    60mph.&nbsp; Do yourself a favour and change the ratio to=20
    4.3:1.</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
    <DIV><STRONG><FONT size=3D4>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; I broke one in the =
late=20
    60's.&nbsp; Picked up a used crank for $25 from a Worseley 4/44, had =
it=20
    ground, picked up a complete set of bearings, pulled the motor, took =
off the=20
    pan and installed the 4/44 crank.&nbsp; Nothing else was done.&nbsp; =
After I=20
    had the parts this was done in less than one day and I drove the car =
for 10=20
    years without any problem-mostly in the city of Sydney=20
    OZ.</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
    <DIV><STRONG><FONT=20
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size=3D4>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;=20
    Hugh Pite</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
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      <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message -----</DIV>
      <DIV=20
      style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: rgb(228,228,228); FONT: 10pt arial; =
background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial"><B>From:</B><SPAN=20
      class=3DApple-converted-space>&nbsp;</SPAN><A =
title=3Dbachldrs@comcast.net=20
      href=3D"mailto:bachldrs@comcast.net";>Allen Bachelder</A></DIV>
      <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B><SPAN=20
      class=3DApple-converted-space>&nbsp;</SPAN><A =
title=3Dzmagnette@autox.team.net=20
      href=3D"mailto:zmagnette@autox.team.net";>List for the Z Magnette =
Group -=20
      North America</A></DIV>
      <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B><SPAN=20
      class=3DApple-converted-space>&nbsp;</SPAN>Monday, November 11, =
2013 6:12=20
      PM</DIV>
      <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B><SPAN=20
      class=3DApple-converted-space>&nbsp;</SPAN>Re: [Zmagnette] Engine =
Clatter=20
      &amp; pressure drop</DIV>
      <DIV><BR></DIV>OK, 5# oil pressure tells you it's hemorrhaging =
some place.=20
      &nbsp;If it's a bearing, why should just one bearing =
catastrophically=20
      fail? &nbsp;I rather like the broken crankshaft theory. &nbsp;A =
friend of=20
      mine had that happen recently with his TF. As to repair, you can =
always=20
      get by for some time with a minimalist approach if you don't drive =
it too=20
      hard or too much. &nbsp;If all you do is take it out on 40 mph =
club tours=20
      - about 500 miles per year, then that might be OK. If you want it =
right,=20
      do what it takes to make it right. &nbsp;You may have to pull and=20
      disassemble quite a bit before you have your answer - and by that =
time, it=20
      will not make economic sense to put it back together with a =
minimal=20
      repair. &nbsp;Most of us don't want to go this way more than =
once...
      <DIV><BR></DIV>
      <DIV>OTOH, a friend had to shut his TD down in Kansas on the =
Rallye to=20
      Reno due to a horrible clatter that, after a tow back to Michigan, =
turned=20
      out to be valve gear banging on an ill-centered valve cover! Of =
course=20
      that was not associated with a loss of oil pressure...</DIV>
      <DIV><BR></DIV>
      <DIV>FWIW,</DIV>
      <DIV>Allen<BR>
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      &amp; Florrie Bachelder &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
=3Diii=3D&lt;<BR>Spring Creek=20
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        <DIV>Still plenty of oil. &nbsp;After I stopped, I restarted the =
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        <BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite">I think you have to investigate the =
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stating=20
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right?=20
          &nbsp;If something failed causing all the oil to pour out on =
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          hill, you would have a sudden drop in oil pressure and a whole =
lot of=20
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            but I bet you folks can help.<BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE>
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          <BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;I decided to =
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          <BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Any ideas =
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            happened? Rod bearing wiped out? Broken rocker=20
        arm?<BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE>
        <BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite">
          <BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;If it is one =
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