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oh John. please do not stop with your history. you can take up all my read=
ing all day, every day.
Franka scouse in california
On Thursday, December 8, 2022 at 10:34:00 AM PST, johnbmacartney@gmx.co=
m <johnbmacartney@gmx.com> wrote: =20
=20
=20
Hi, Dave,
=C2=A0
Very few, if any of the Experimental Engineers made it into the public and =
enthusiast=E2=80=99s eye except for one or two =E2=80=93 and they were main=
ly known only in the UK. Sadly, all but one of them are now fixing Heralds =
in heaven. One of them was the late Ray Henderson from the Experimental Dep=
artment. A lovely, unassuming man who was a brilliant engineer of the old s=
chool and who could turn his hand to fixing the impossible miles from anywh=
ere, told me many stories of his experiences. Ray undertook quite a number =
of trips in development cars to far flung destinations and the one about wh=
ich he was the most critical was being one of the crew that drove two or th=
ree Heralds (pre-launch versions) from Cape Town in South Africa to London.=
The book of that trip was called =E2=80=9CTurn Left at Tangier=E2=80=9D th=
ough I don=E2=80=99t think Ray provided much of the input to it being writt=
en. If he had, it=E2=80=99s likely he=E2=80=99d have either lost his job or=
been seriously disciplined on his return. He was scathing in the extreme a=
bout the whole venture and highly critical of the Company for even suggesti=
ng the exercise in the first place. In Ray=E2=80=99s view =E2=80=93 which I=
think was shared by all those who went with him on the trip, was that the =
cars were totally unsuited to the journey they made and it=E2=80=99s a trib=
ute to Ray and his colleagues that they actually managed to get the cars ba=
ck, so badly were they damaged by the appalling so-called roads and no road=
s at all in crossing the Sahara desert. Apart from the unsuitability of the=
chosen route, none of those who took part were given any kind of training =
or pre-run preparation in terms of the types of terrain, culture, language,=
don=E2=80=99t-do=E2=80=99s etc that they would encounter, the very real da=
ngers that faced them in going through certain countries where the white ma=
n definitely was not wanted, through training in basic medicine and first a=
id, treating colleagues for scorpion attacks or snake bite and damn all in =
terms of carrying appropriate medical kits on all the vehicles. As I recall=
, there were three Heralds, one Vanguard estate car and a Standard Atlas va=
n with about one and a half tons of parts, tools, fuel, water and camping k=
it =E2=80=93 and just one 948cc engine to drive it!!!!! Ray told me that ea=
ch Herald required at least three rear suspension rebuilds en-route, severa=
l clutch changes and two or three major gearbox failures! I can=E2=80=99t r=
ecall the details now, but there were so many driveshaft, rear wheel carrie=
rs and other vital parts failures, that several more were air-freighted out=
to Nigeria in the hope of getting the cars home. I do know all the cars we=
re re-fitted in Lagos, Nigeria with locally made radiators that didn=E2=80=
=99t break or crack as a result of vibration. Having spent a lot of time in=
Africa myself, I know what their roads can do and I have a lot of respect =
for local tradespeople on street corners who can do truly amazing things in=
repairing something that looks smashed beyond repair. Anyway, when they fi=
nally got to Coventry, all the men who had taken part in the event, were pu=
blicly castigated by Harry Webster, the Director of Engineering for submitt=
ing trip reports that were critical of a number of Webster-inspired feature=
s on the Herald in particular. Ray summarised that event as =E2=80=9Cthe jo=
urney through hell=E2=80=9D and he was very critical of Alick Dick (Standar=
d-Triumph=E2=80=99s CEO) and Frank Higham (Sales Director) for abdicating t=
he company=E2=80=99s duty of care to employees in sending that team of men =
on what they felt was a dangerous and ill thought-out expedition in cars th=
at were totally unsuited to that sort of travel in such conditions.
Another of Ray=E2=80=99s unique contributions was the creation of a Spitfir=
e whose roadholding was far better than the Sprite/Midget in standard spec.=
It was so good that Webster insisted it should be put in the crusher and t=
he concept forgotten. Basically, Ray modified a Spitfire taken off the line=
, substantially reinforced the rear part of the bodyshell and re-equipped t=
he car with semi-trailing arms and coil springs as per the TR4A but using p=
arts from the Triumph 1300 front wheel drive car. Ray did that conversion, =
on his own, in the Engineering workshop in just three weeks =E2=80=93 and w=
ithout any drawings at all! It was all done on =E2=80=9Cif it looks right, =
it=E2=80=99ll probably be right =E2=80=93 and it was. That car was so good =
it *ought* to have gone into production but the costs that would have been =
incurred in completely re-jigging the chassis and doing major work in re-de=
signing and strengthening the body tub would have put another GBP50 (@ 1966=
values) =C2=A0on the manufacturing cost of the car. Such a cost would have=
translated to an extra GBP250 at retail =E2=80=93 and Webster claimed (per=
haps correctly?) that this would price the Spitfire out of the market and m=
ake the Spridget the favoured car for its price, so he threw the whole idea=
out. A terrible shame in its way. All those (few) who drove the car =E2=80=
=93 apart from Webster, were unanimous it was the way the Spitfire should h=
ave been designed from the start and leading that argument was the Company=
=E2=80=99s chief test driver!
So, a little bit of =E2=80=98behind the scenes=E2=80=99 history for those w=
ho are interested. Apologies for taking up space they may not interest most=
people.
=C2=A0
Jonmac
=C2=A0
From: Dave Connitt <dconnitt@fuse.net>=20
Sent: 06 December 2022 14:04
To: johnbmacartney@gmx.com
Cc: Rye Livingston <ryel@mac.com>; stagbytriumph@triumphstagclub.org; Randy=
and Valerie DeRuiter <deruiterville@hotmail.com>; Triumphs <triumphs@autox=
.team.net>
Subject: Re: [TR] Travel and tuning question
=C2=A0
That=E2=80=99s interesting Jonmac,
Did any of those shows ever discuss how the drivers handled the altitude? A=
sking for a friend, LOL.
Dave Connitt
Sent from my iPhone
On Dec 6, 2022, at 4:12 AM, johnbmacartney@gmx.com wrote:
=EF=BB=BF
Back in the day =E2=80=93 like fifty plus years ago, all the larger UK car =
makers undertook extensive altitude testing on all their cars. Favourite lo=
cations were Europe, Scandinavia, Canadian Rockies, the Andes and Iran befo=
re the Shah was deposed. Lots of Pike=E2=80=99s Peak equivalent places in s=
ome of those locations and this sort of testing is something many enthusias=
ts don=E2=80=99t take on board.
=C2=A0
Jonmac
=C2=A0
From: Rye Livingston <ryel@mac.com>=20
Sent: 05 December 2022 19:22
To: johnbmacartney@gmx.com
Cc: stagbytriumph@triumphstagclub.org; Dave Connitt <dconnitt@fuse.net>; Ra=
ndy and Valerie DeRuiter <deruiterville@hotmail.com>; Triumphs <triumphs@au=
tox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [TR] Travel and tuning question
=C2=A0
Before the pandemic I drove my TR3 from sea level in California, to Flagsta=
ff Arizona, just shy of 7000=E2=80=99, for Triumphest. =C2=A0On the way hom=
e we drove over Tioga Pass going into Yosemite at 9,945 feet. =C2=A0I didn=
=E2=80=99t adjust anything and it ran well.
=C2=A0
Rye
=C2=A0
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On Dec 4, 2022, at 2:37 AM, johnbmacartney@gmx.com wrote:
=C2=A0
Agreed. I don=E2=80=99t recall either of those Stags suffering fuel starvat=
ion or 'altitude' sickness. One on SU's, the other on Strombergs. Must admi=
t I was glad when we did the descent as the altitude was doing me no good a=
t all. That said, a great drive in both directions, a fine day and an amazi=
ng view at the summit.
jonmac
-----Original Message-----
From: stagbytriumph@triumphstagclub.org <stagbytriumph@triumphstagclub.org>=
=20
Sent: 02 December 2022 21:34
To: 'Dave Connitt' <dconnitt@fuse.net>; 'Randy and Valerie DeRuiter' <derui=
terville@hotmail.com>
Cc: 'Triumphs' <triumphs@autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [TR] Travel and tuning question
I hear there are a lot of "'deer" on top of Pikes Peak at various times!
Glenn aka StagByTriumph
-----Original Message-----
From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Dave Connitt
Sent: Friday, December 2, 2022 10:45 AM
To: Randy and Valerie DeRuiter <deruiterville@hotmail.com>
Cc: Triumphs <triumphs@autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [TR] Travel and tuning question
Thanks for the tip Randy!=20
Yea, the trip to Pikes Peak started from a conversation with some TriState =
Triumph people at lunch after one of our =E2=80=9Cspirited drives=E2=80=9D.=
The trip up Pikes Peak was a bucket list goal of one of the couples. I ask=
ed my wife if she wanted to go too and after saying yes, she suggested that=
since we will be out west why not see some other sites? We=E2=80=99re both=
retired so there=E2=80=99s no hurry getting back home. There=E2=80=99s abo=
ut 8 of us going to Pikes Peak so far. I haven=E2=80=99t mentioned our exte=
nded trip to the group yet but some of them may want to go with us instead =
of driving straight back to Cinci.
Thanks again for the electric fuel pump idea!!
Tha car is already up on the QuckJack=F0=9F=98=81.
Dave and Colleen Connitt
FOG 51
Sent from my iPhone
On Dec 2, 2022, at 11:56 AM, Randy and Valerie DeRuiter <deruiterville@hotm=
ail.com> wrote:
=EF=BB=BFDave
Sounds like a great trip - I didn=E2=80=99t make the last tour with my othe=
r FOG buddies but when they went through the Rockies the #1 issue at altitu=
de was the mechanical fuel pump cavitating due to ethanol gas we think. =C2=
=A0A couple guys on the trip hooked up temporary electric pumps and had no =
issue - no carb adjustments were made for any of them.
Randy
FOG37
Sent from my iPhone
On Dec 2, 2022, at 10:15 AM, Dave Connitt <dconnitt@fuse.net> wrote:
=EF=BB=BFHi all,
This coming summer my wife and I are planning a fairly long trip in my TR4A=
=C2=A0leaving from Cincinnati, Ohio (altitude approximately 500=E2=80=99).=
Our first destination is going to be Colorado Springs, Co. to drive up Pik=
es Peak (altitude approximately 14,115=E2=80=99). Then north to Mt. Rushmor=
e (altitude approximately 5,700=E2=80=99), then north to drive through Yell=
owstone national park (altitude approximately 9,200=E2=80=99). That=E2=80=
=99s going to be quite a swing in altitude and I am wondering if I will hav=
e to occasionally tune the SU HS-6 carbs? Has anyone on the list done a sim=
ilar drive? If so, how did your Triumph run and what did you have to adjust=
?
Thanks in advance!
Dave Connitt
=E2=80=9867 TR4A-IRS
DavesTR4A.com
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with your history. you can take up all my reading all day, every day.</div>=
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On Thursday, December 8, 2022 at 10:34:00 AM PST, johnb=
macartney@gmx.com <johnbmacartney@gmx.com> wrote:
</div>
<div><br></div>
<div><br></div>
<div><div id=3D"ydp8d522e40yiv3150865530"><div><div class=
=3D"ydp8d522e40yiv3150865530WordSection1"><p class=3D"ydp8d522e40yiv3150865=
530MsoNormal"><span>Hi, Dave,</span></p><p class=3D"ydp8d522e40yiv315086553=
0MsoNormal"><span> </span></p><p class=3D"ydp8d522e40yiv3150865530Mso=
Normal"><span>Very few, if any of the Experimental Engineers made it into t=
he public and enthusiast=E2=80=99s eye except for one or two =E2=80=93 and =
they were mainly known only in the UK. Sadly, all but one of them are now f=
ixing Heralds in heaven. One of them was the late Ray Henderson from the Ex=
perimental Department. A lovely, unassuming man who was a brilliant enginee=
r of the old school and who could turn his hand to fixing the impossible mi=
les from anywhere, told me many stories of his experiences. Ray undertook q=
uite a number of trips in development cars to far flung destinations and th=
e one about which he was the most critical was being one of the crew that d=
rove two or three Heralds (pre-launch versions) from Cape Town in South Afr=
ica to London. The book of that trip was called =E2=80=9CTurn Left at Tangi=
er=E2=80=9D though I don=E2=80=99t think Ray provided much of the input to =
it being written. If he had, it=E2=80=99s likely he=E2=80=99d have either l=
ost his job or been seriously disciplined on his return. He was scathing in=
the extreme about the whole venture and highly critical of the Company for=
even suggesting the exercise in the first place. In Ray=E2=80=99s view =E2=
=80=93 which I think was shared by all those who went with him on the trip,=
was that the cars were totally unsuited to the journey they made and it=E2=
=80=99s a tribute to Ray and his colleagues that they actually managed to g=
et the cars back, so badly were they damaged by the appalling so-called roa=
ds and no roads at all in crossing the Sahara desert. Apart from the unsuit=
ability of the chosen route, none of those who took part were given any kin=
d of training or pre-run preparation in terms of the types of terrain, cult=
ure, language, don=E2=80=99t-do=E2=80=99s etc that they would encounter, th=
e very real dangers that faced them in going through certain countries wher=
e the white man definitely was not wanted, through training in basic medici=
ne and first aid, treating colleagues for scorpion attacks or snake bite an=
d damn all in terms of carrying appropriate medical kits on all the vehicle=
s. As I recall, there were three Heralds, one Vanguard estate car and a Sta=
ndard Atlas van with about one and a half tons of parts, tools, fuel, water=
and camping kit =E2=80=93 and just one 948cc engine to drive it!!!!! Ray t=
old me that each Herald required at least three rear suspension rebuilds en=
-route, several clutch changes and two or three major gearbox failures! I c=
an=E2=80=99t recall the details now, but there were so many driveshaft, rea=
r wheel carriers and other vital parts failures, that several more were air=
-freighted out to Nigeria in the hope of getting the cars home. I do know a=
ll the cars were re-fitted in Lagos, Nigeria with locally made radiators th=
at didn=E2=80=99t break or crack as a result of vibration. Having spent a l=
ot of time in Africa myself, I know what their roads can do and I have a lo=
t of respect for local tradespeople on street corners who can do truly amaz=
ing things in repairing something that looks smashed beyond repair. Anyway,=
when they finally got to Coventry, all the men who had taken part in the e=
vent, were publicly castigated by Harry Webster, the Director of Engineerin=
g for submitting trip reports that were critical of a number of Webster-ins=
pired features on the Herald in particular. Ray summarised that event as =
=E2=80=9Cthe journey through hell=E2=80=9D and he was very critical of Alic=
k Dick (Standard-Triumph=E2=80=99s CEO) and Frank Higham (Sales Director) f=
or abdicating the company=E2=80=99s duty of care to employees in sending th=
at team of men on what they felt was a dangerous and ill thought-out expedi=
tion in cars that were totally unsuited to that sort of travel in such cond=
itions.</span></p><p class=3D"ydp8d522e40yiv3150865530MsoNormal"><span>Anot=
her of Ray=E2=80=99s unique contributions was the creation of a Spitfire wh=
ose roadholding was far better than the Sprite/Midget in standard spec. It =
was so good that Webster insisted it should be put in the crusher and the c=
oncept forgotten. Basically, Ray modified a Spitfire taken off the line, su=
bstantially reinforced the rear part of the bodyshell and re-equipped the c=
ar with semi-trailing arms and coil springs as per the TR4A but using parts=
from the Triumph 1300 front wheel drive car. Ray did that conversion, on h=
is own, in the Engineering workshop in just three weeks =E2=80=93 and witho=
ut any drawings at all! It was all done on =E2=80=9Cif it looks right, it=
=E2=80=99ll probably be right =E2=80=93 and it was. That car was so good it=
*<b>ought</b>* to have gone into production but the costs that would have =
been incurred in completely re-jigging the chassis and doing major work in =
re-designing and strengthening the body tub would have put another GBP50 (@=
1966 values) on the manufacturing cost of the car. Such a cost would=
have translated to an extra GBP250 at retail =E2=80=93 and Webster claimed=
(perhaps correctly?) that this would price the Spitfire out of the market =
and make the Spridget the favoured car for its price, so he threw the whole=
idea out. A terrible shame in its way. All those (few) who drove the car =
=E2=80=93 apart from Webster, were unanimous it was the way the Spitfire sh=
ould have been designed from the start and leading that argument was the Co=
mpany=E2=80=99s chief test driver!</span></p><p class=3D"ydp8d522e40yiv3150=
865530MsoNormal"><span>So, a little bit of =E2=80=98behind the scenes=E2=80=
=99 history for those who are interested. Apologies for taking up space the=
y may not interest most people.</span></p><p class=3D"ydp8d522e40yiv3150865=
530MsoNormal"><span> </span></p><p class=3D"ydp8d522e40yiv3150865530M=
soNormal"><span>Jonmac</span></p><p class=3D"ydp8d522e40yiv3150865530MsoNor=
mal"><span> </span></p><div id=3D"ydp8d522e40yiv3150865530yqt72692" c=
lass=3D"ydp8d522e40yiv3150865530yqt0596720159"><div><div style=3D"border:no=
ne;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm;"><p class=3D"y=
dp8d522e40yiv3150865530MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Dave Connitt <dconnitt@fu=
se.net> <br clear=3D"none"><b>Sent:</b> 06 December 2022 14:04<br clear=
=3D"none"><b>To:</b> johnbmacartney@gmx.com<br clear=3D"none"><b>Cc:</b> Ry=
e Livingston <ryel@mac.com>; stagbytriumph@triumphstagclub.org; Randy=
and Valerie DeRuiter <deruiterville@hotmail.com>; Triumphs <trium=
phs@autox.team.net><br clear=3D"none"><b>Subject:</b> Re: [TR] Travel an=
d tuning question</p></div></div><p class=3D"ydp8d522e40yiv3150865530MsoNor=
mal"> </p><p class=3D"ydp8d522e40yiv3150865530MsoNormal">That=E2=80=
=99s interesting Jonmac,</p><div><p class=3D"ydp8d522e40yiv3150865530MsoNor=
mal">Did any of those shows ever discuss how the drivers handled the altitu=
de? Asking for a friend, LOL.</p></div></div><div><div id=3D"ydp8d522e40yiv=
3150865530yqt39650" class=3D"ydp8d522e40yiv3150865530yqt0596720159"><p styl=
e=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt;" class=3D"ydp8d522e40yiv3150865530MsoNormal">Dav=
e Connitt</p><div><p class=3D"ydp8d522e40yiv3150865530MsoNormal">Sent from =
my iPhone</p></div><div><p class=3D"ydp8d522e40yiv3150865530MsoNormal"><br =
clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none"></p><blockquote style=3D"margin-top:5.0pt=
;margin-bottom:5.0pt;"><p style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt;" class=3D"ydp8d522=
e40yiv3150865530MsoNormal">On Dec 6, 2022, at 4:12 AM, <a shape=3D"rect" hr=
ef=3D"mailto:johnbmacartney@gmx.com"; rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank">joh=
nbmacartney@gmx.com</a> wrote:</p></blockquote></div></div><blockquote styl=
e=3D"margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt;"><div><div id=3D"ydp8d522e40yiv3=
150865530yqt51512" class=3D"ydp8d522e40yiv3150865530yqt0596720159"><p class=
=3D"ydp8d522e40yiv3150865530MsoNormal">=EF=BB=BF</p><p class=3D"ydp8d522e40=
yiv3150865530MsoNormal"><span>Back in the day =E2=80=93 like fifty plus yea=
rs ago, all the larger UK car makers undertook extensive altitude testing o=
n all their cars. Favourite locations were Europe, Scandinavia, Canadian Ro=
ckies, the Andes and Iran before the Shah was deposed. Lots of Pike=E2=80=
=99s Peak equivalent places in some of those locations and this sort of tes=
ting is something many enthusiasts don=E2=80=99t take on board.</span></p><=
p class=3D"ydp8d522e40yiv3150865530MsoNormal"><span> </span></p><p cla=
ss=3D"ydp8d522e40yiv3150865530MsoNormal"><span>Jonmac</span></p><p class=3D=
"ydp8d522e40yiv3150865530MsoNormal"><span> </span></p><div><div style=
=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm;">=
<p class=3D"ydp8d522e40yiv3150865530MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Rye Livingston =
<<a shape=3D"rect" href=3D"mailto:ryel@mac.com"; rel=3D"nofollow" target=
=3D"_blank">ryel@mac.com</a>> <br clear=3D"none"><b>Sent:</b> 05 Decembe=
r 2022 19:22<br clear=3D"none"><b>To:</b> <a shape=3D"rect" href=3D"mailto:=
johnbmacartney@gmx.com" rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank">johnbmacartney@g=
mx.com</a><br clear=3D"none"><b>Cc:</b> <a shape=3D"rect" href=3D"mailto:st=
agbytriumph@triumphstagclub.org" rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank">stagbyt=
riumph@triumphstagclub.org</a>; Dave Connitt <<a shape=3D"rect" href=3D"=
mailto:dconnitt@fuse.net"; rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank">dconnitt@fuse.=
net</a>>; Randy and Valerie DeRuiter <<a shape=3D"rect" href=3D"mailt=
o:deruiterville@hotmail.com" rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank">deruitervil=
le@hotmail.com</a>>; Triumphs <<a shape=3D"rect" href=3D"mailto:trium=
phs@autox.team.net" rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank">triumphs@autox.team.=
net</a>><br clear=3D"none"><b>Subject:</b> Re: [TR] Travel and tuning qu=
estion</p></div></div><p class=3D"ydp8d522e40yiv3150865530MsoNormal"> =
</p><p class=3D"ydp8d522e40yiv3150865530MsoNormal">Before the pandemic I dr=
ove my TR3 from sea level in California, to Flagstaff Arizona, just shy of =
7000=E2=80=99, for Triumphest. On the way home we drove over Tioga Pa=
ss going into Yosemite at 9,945 feet. I didn=E2=80=99t adjust anythin=
g and it ran well.</p><div><p class=3D"ydp8d522e40yiv3150865530MsoNormal">&=
nbsp;</p></div></div><div><div id=3D"ydp8d522e40yiv3150865530yqt57880" clas=
s=3D"ydp8d522e40yiv3150865530yqt0596720159"><p class=3D"ydp8d522e40yiv31508=
65530MsoNormal">Rye</p><div><p class=3D"ydp8d522e40yiv3150865530MsoNormal">=
</p></div></div><div><div id=3D"ydp8d522e40yiv3150865530yqt83753" cla=
ss=3D"ydp8d522e40yiv3150865530yqt0596720159"><div><p class=3D"ydp8d522e40yi=
v3150865530MsoNormal"><image001.jpg></p></div><div><p class=3D"ydp8d5=
22e40yiv3150865530MsoNormal"><br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none"><br clea=
r=3D"none"></p><blockquote style=3D"margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt;">=
<div><p class=3D"ydp8d522e40yiv3150865530MsoNormal">On Dec 4, 2022, at 2:37=
AM, <a shape=3D"rect" href=3D"mailto:johnbmacartney@gmx.com"; rel=3D"nofoll=
ow" target=3D"_blank">johnbmacartney@gmx.com</a> wrote:</p></div><p class=
=3D"ydp8d522e40yiv3150865530MsoNormal"> </p><div><div><p class=3D"ydp8=
d522e40yiv3150865530MsoNormal">Agreed. I don=E2=80=99t recall either of tho=
se Stags suffering fuel starvation or 'altitude' sickness. One on SU's, the=
other on Strombergs. Must admit I was glad when we did the descent as the =
altitude was doing me no good at all. That said, a great drive in both dire=
ctions, a fine day and an amazing view at the summit.<br clear=3D"none"><br=
clear=3D"none">jonmac<br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none">-----Original M=
essage-----<br clear=3D"none">From: <a shape=3D"rect" href=3D"mailto:stagby=
triumph@triumphstagclub.org" rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank">stagbytrium=
ph@triumphstagclub.org</a> <<a shape=3D"rect" href=3D"mailto:stagbytrium=
ph@triumphstagclub.org" rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank">stagbytriumph@tr=
iumphstagclub.org</a>> <br clear=3D"none">Sent: 02 December 2022 21:34<b=
r clear=3D"none">To: 'Dave Connitt' <<a shape=3D"rect" href=3D"mailto:dc=
onnitt@fuse.net" rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank">dconnitt@fuse.net</a>&g=
t;; 'Randy and Valerie DeRuiter' <<a shape=3D"rect" href=3D"mailto:derui=
terville@hotmail.com" rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank">deruiterville@hotm=
ail.com</a>><br clear=3D"none">Cc: 'Triumphs' <<a shape=3D"rect" href=
=3D"mailto:triumphs@autox.team.net"; rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank">triu=
mphs@autox.team.net</a>><br clear=3D"none">Subject: Re: [TR] Travel and =
tuning question<br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none">I hear there are a lot=
of "'deer" on top of Pikes Peak at various times!<br clear=3D"none"><br cl=
ear=3D"none">Glenn aka StagByTriumph<br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none">-=
----Original Message-----<br clear=3D"none">From: Triumphs <<a shape=3D"=
rect" href=3D"mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net"; rel=3D"nofollow" targ=
et=3D"_blank">triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net</a>> On Behalf Of Dave Con=
nitt<br clear=3D"none">Sent: Friday, December 2, 2022 10:45 AM<br clear=3D"=
none">To: Randy and Valerie DeRuiter <<a shape=3D"rect" href=3D"mailto:d=
eruiterville@hotmail.com" rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank">deruiterville@=
hotmail.com</a>><br clear=3D"none">Cc: Triumphs <<a shape=3D"rect" hr=
ef=3D"mailto:triumphs@autox.team.net"; rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank">tr=
iumphs@autox.team.net</a>><br clear=3D"none">Subject: Re: [TR] Travel an=
d tuning question<br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none">Thanks for the tip R=
andy! <br clear=3D"none">Yea, the trip to Pikes Peak started from a convers=
ation with some TriState Triumph people at lunch after one of our =E2=80=9C=
spirited drives=E2=80=9D. The trip up Pikes Peak was a bucket list goal of =
one of the couples. I asked my wife if she wanted to go too and after sayin=
g yes, she suggested that since we will be out west why not see some other =
sites? We=E2=80=99re both retired so there=E2=80=99s no hurry getting back =
home. There=E2=80=99s about 8 of us going to Pikes Peak so far. I haven=E2=
=80=99t mentioned our extended trip to the group yet but some of them may w=
ant to go with us instead of driving straight back to Cinci.<br clear=3D"no=
ne"><br clear=3D"none">Thanks again for the electric fuel pump idea!!<br cl=
ear=3D"none">Tha car is already up on the QuckJack<span style=3D"font-famil=
y:UI sans-serif;">=F0=9F=98=81</span>.<br clear=3D"none">Dave and Colleen C=
onnitt<br clear=3D"none">FOG 51<br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none">Sent f=
rom my iPhone<br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none"><br c=
lear=3D"none"></p><blockquote style=3D"margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt=
;"><p class=3D"ydp8d522e40yiv3150865530MsoNormal">On Dec 2, 2022, at 11:56 =
AM, Randy and Valerie DeRuiter <<a shape=3D"rect" href=3D"mailto:deruite=
rville@hotmail.com" rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank">deruiterville@hotmai=
l.com</a>> wrote:<br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none">=EF=BB=BFDave<br =
clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none">Sounds like a great trip - I didn=E2=80=
=99t make the last tour with my other FOG buddies but when they went throug=
h the Rockies the #1 issue at altitude was the mechanical fuel pump cavitat=
ing due to ethanol gas we think. A couple guys on the trip hooked up =
temporary electric pumps and had no issue - no carb adjustments were made f=
or any of them.<br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none">Randy<br clear=3D"none=
">FOG37<br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none">Sent from my iPhone<br clear=
=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none"></p><blo=
ckquote style=3D"margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt;"><p class=3D"ydp8d52=
2e40yiv3150865530MsoNormal">On Dec 2, 2022, at 10:15 AM, Dave Connitt <<=
a shape=3D"rect" href=3D"mailto:dconnitt@fuse.net"; rel=3D"nofollow" target=
=3D"_blank">dconnitt@fuse.net</a>> wrote:<br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D=
"none">=EF=BB=BFHi all,<br clear=3D"none">This coming summer my wife and I =
are planning a fairly long trip in my TR4A leaving from Cincinnati, O=
hio (altitude approximately 500=E2=80=99). Our first destination is going t=
o be Colorado Springs, Co. to drive up Pikes Peak (altitude approximately 1=
4,115=E2=80=99). Then north to Mt. Rushmore (altitude approximately 5,700=
=E2=80=99), then north to drive through Yellowstone national park (altitude=
approximately 9,200=E2=80=99). That=E2=80=99s going to be quite a swing in=
altitude and I am wondering if I will have to occasionally tune the SU HS-=
6 carbs? Has anyone on the list done a similar drive? If so, how did your T=
riumph run and what did you have to adjust?<br clear=3D"none">Thanks in adv=
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