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utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto">John,<div>Wonderful account about how the I=
ndians often know better than the chiefs, but are not heard. </div><di=
v>Bill b<br><br><div dir=3D"ltr">=E2=80=9CDo your best, and let the sparrows=
twitter=E2=80=9D Lofty</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br>On Dec 8, 2022, at 3=
:49 PM, Greg Lemon <grglmn@gmail.com> wrote:<br><br></div><div dir=3D"=
ltr">=EF=BB=BF<div dir=3D"auto">That is great stuff, thanks John. The S=
prite/Spitfire competition must have been pretty fierce, there were possibil=
ities for improving the Sprite too, like using the Cooper S version of the 1=
275 A series. But that would have made the Sprite as quick or quicker t=
han a Spitfire but also as fast or faster than an MGB, and of course the car=
would have been more expensive. They always built the cars to a price=
didn't they? Fun to think of what might have been, and also fun to cobble u=
p our own modern versions of the factory hot rods.<div dir=3D"auto"><br></di=
v><div dir=3D"auto">Greg Lemon</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><di=
v dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Thu, Dec 8, 2022, 12:20 PM <<a hre=
f=3D"mailto:johnbmacartney@gmx.com"; target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">joh=
nbmacartney@gmx.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote=
" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><d=
iv lang=3D"EN-GB" link=3D"blue" vlink=3D"purple" style=3D"word-wrap:break-wo=
rd"><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span>Hi, Dave,<u></u><u></u></span></p><p c=
lass=3D"MsoNormal"><span><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNorma=
l"><span>Very few, if any of the Experimental Engineers made it into the pub=
lic and enthusiast=E2=80=99s eye except for one or two =E2=80=93 and they we=
re mainly known only in the UK. Sadly, all but one of them are now fixing He=
ralds in heaven. One of them was the late Ray Henderson from the Experimenta=
l Department. A lovely, unassuming man who was a brilliant engineer of the o=
ld school and who could turn his hand to fixing the impossible miles from an=
ywhere, told me many stories of his experiences. Ray undertook quite a numbe=
r of trips in development cars to far flung destinations and the one about w=
hich he was the most critical was being one of the crew that drove two or th=
ree Heralds (pre-launch versions) from Cape Town in South Africa to London. T=
he book of that trip was called =E2=80=9CTurn Left at Tangier=E2=80=9D thoug=
h I don=E2=80=99t think Ray provided much of the input to it being written. I=
f he had, it=E2=80=99s likely he=E2=80=99d have either lost his job or been s=
eriously disciplined on his return. He was scathing in the extreme about the=
whole venture and highly critical of the Company for even suggesting the ex=
ercise in the first place. In Ray=E2=80=99s view =E2=80=93 which I think was=
shared by all those who went with him on the trip, was that the cars were t=
otally unsuited to the journey they made and it=E2=80=99s a tribute to Ray a=
nd his colleagues that they actually managed to get the cars back, so badly w=
ere they damaged by the appalling so-called roads and no roads at all in cro=
ssing the Sahara desert. Apart from the unsuitability of the chosen route, n=
one of those who took part were given any kind of training or pre-run prepar=
ation in terms of the types of terrain, culture, language, don=E2=80=99t-do=E2=
=80=99s etc that they would encounter, the very real dangers that faced them=
in going through certain countries where the white man definitely was not w=
anted, through training in basic medicine and first aid, treating colleagues=
for scorpion attacks or snake bite and damn all in terms of carrying approp=
riate medical kits on all the vehicles. As I recall, there were three Herald=
s, one Vanguard estate car and a Standard Atlas van with about one and a hal=
f tons of parts, tools, fuel, water and camping kit =E2=80=93 and just one 9=
48cc engine to drive it!!!!! Ray told me that each Herald required at least t=
hree rear suspension rebuilds en-route, several clutch changes and two or th=
ree major gearbox failures! I can=E2=80=99t recall the details now, but ther=
e were so many driveshaft, rear wheel carriers and other vital parts failure=
s, that several more were air-freighted out to Nigeria in the hope of gettin=
g the cars home. I do know all the cars were re-fitted in Lagos, Nigeria wit=
h locally made radiators that didn=E2=80=99t break or crack as a result of v=
ibration. Having spent a lot of time in Africa myself, I know what their roa=
ds can do and I have a lot of respect for local tradespeople on street corne=
rs who can do truly amazing things in repairing something that looks smashed=
beyond repair. Anyway, when they finally got to Coventry, all the men who h=
ad taken part in the event, were publicly castigated by Harry Webster, the D=
irector of Engineering for submitting trip reports that were critical of a n=
umber of Webster-inspired features on the Herald in particular. Ray summaris=
ed that event as =E2=80=9Cthe journey through hell=E2=80=9D and he was very c=
ritical of Alick Dick (Standard-Triumph=E2=80=99s CEO) and Frank Higham (Sal=
es Director) for abdicating the company=E2=80=99s duty of care to employees i=
n sending that team of men on what they felt was a dangerous and ill thought=
-out expedition in cars that were totally unsuited to that sort of travel in=
such conditions.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span>Anoth=
er of Ray=E2=80=99s unique contributions was the creation of a Spitfire whos=
e roadholding was far better than the Sprite/Midget in standard spec. It was=
so good that Webster insisted it should be put in the crusher and the conce=
pt forgotten. Basically, Ray modified a Spitfire taken off the line, substan=
tially reinforced the rear part of the bodyshell and re-equipped the car wit=
h semi-trailing arms and coil springs as per the TR4A but using parts from t=
he Triumph 1300 front wheel drive car. Ray did that conversion, on his own, i=
n the Engineering workshop in just three weeks =E2=80=93 and without any dra=
wings at all! It was all done on =E2=80=9Cif it looks right, it=E2=80=99ll p=
robably be right =E2=80=93 and it was. That car was so good it *<b>ought</b>=
* to have gone into production but the costs that would have been incurred i=
n completely re-jigging the chassis and doing major work in re-designing and=
strengthening the body tub would have put another GBP50 (@ 1966 values) &nb=
sp;on the manufacturing cost of the car. Such a cost would have translated t=
o an extra GBP250 at retail =E2=80=93 and Webster claimed (perhaps correctly=
?) that this would price the Spitfire out of the market and make the Spridge=
t the favoured car for its price, so he threw the whole idea out. A terrible=
shame in its way. All those (few) who drove the car =E2=80=93 apart from We=
bster, were unanimous it was the way the Spitfire should have been designed f=
rom the start and leading that argument was the Company=E2=80=99s chief test=
driver!<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span>So, a little b=
it of =E2=80=98behind the scenes=E2=80=99 history for those who are interest=
ed. Apologies for taking up space they may not interest most people.<u></u><=
u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span><u></u> <u></u></span></p=
><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span>Jonmac<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"Mso=
Normal"><span><u></u> <u></u></span></p><div><div style=3D"border:none;=
border-top:solid #e1e1e1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm;font-size:pt"><p cl=
ass=3D"MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Dave Connitt <<a href=3D"mailto:dconnitt@f=
use.net" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">dconnitt@fuse.net</=
a>> <br><b>Sent:</b> 06 December 2022 14:04<br><b>To:</b> <a href=3D"mail=
to:johnbmacartney@gmx.com" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">j=
ohnbmacartney@gmx.com</a><br><b>Cc:</b> Rye Livingston <<a href=3D"mailto=
:ryel@mac.com" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">ryel@mac.com<=
/a>>; <a href=3D"mailto:stagbytriumph@triumphstagclub.org"; rel=3D"norefer=
rer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">stagbytriumph@triumphstagclub.org</a>; Ran=
dy and Valerie DeRuiter <<a href=3D"mailto:deruiterville@hotmail.com"; rel=
=3D"noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">deruiterville@hotmail.com</a>&g=
t;; Triumphs <<a href=3D"mailto:triumphs@autox.team.net"; rel=3D"noreferre=
r noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">triumphs@autox.team.net</a>><br><b>Subjec=
t:</b> Re: [TR] Travel and tuning question<u></u><u></u></p></div></div><p c=
lass=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">That=E2=80=
=99s interesting Jonmac,<u></u><u></u></p><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Did an=
y of those shows ever discuss how the drivers handled the altitude? Asking f=
or a friend, LOL.<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D=
"margin-bottom:12.0pt">Dave Connitt<u></u><u></u></p><div><p class=3D"MsoNor=
mal">Sent from my iPhone<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">=
<br><br><u></u><u></u></p><blockquote style=3D"margin-top:5.0pt;margin-botto=
m:5.0pt"><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt">On Dec 6, 202=
2, at 4:12 AM, <a href=3D"mailto:johnbmacartney@gmx.com"; rel=3D"noreferrer n=
oreferrer" target=3D"_blank">johnbmacartney@gmx.com</a> wrote:<u></u><u></u>=
</p></blockquote></div><blockquote style=3D"margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5=
.0pt"><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">=EF=BB=BF<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"Mso=
Normal"><span>Back in the day =E2=80=93 like fifty plus years ago, all the l=
arger UK car makers undertook extensive altitude testing on all their cars. =
Favourite locations were Europe, Scandinavia, Canadian Rockies, the Andes an=
d Iran before the Shah was deposed. Lots of Pike=E2=80=99s Peak equivalent p=
laces in some of those locations and this sort of testing is something many e=
nthusiasts don=E2=80=99t take on board.</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"=
MsoNormal"><span> </span><u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span=
>Jonmac</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span> </span><u=
></u><u></u></p><div><div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #e1e1e1 1.0p=
t;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm;font-size:pt"><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b>From:</b=
> Rye Livingston <<a href=3D"mailto:ryel@mac.com"; rel=3D"noreferrer noref=
errer" target=3D"_blank">ryel@mac.com</a>> <br><b>Sent:</b> 05 December 2=
022 19:22<br><b>To:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:johnbmacartney@gmx.com"; rel=3D"nor=
eferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">johnbmacartney@gmx.com</a><br><b>Cc:</=
b> <a href=3D"mailto:stagbytriumph@triumphstagclub.org"; rel=3D"noreferrer no=
referrer" target=3D"_blank">stagbytriumph@triumphstagclub.org</a>; Dave Conn=
itt <<a href=3D"mailto:dconnitt@fuse.net"; rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer" t=
arget=3D"_blank">dconnitt@fuse.net</a>>; Randy and Valerie DeRuiter <<=
a href=3D"mailto:deruiterville@hotmail.com"; rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer" ta=
rget=3D"_blank">deruiterville@hotmail.com</a>>; Triumphs <<a href=3D"m=
ailto:triumphs@autox.team.net" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blan=
k">triumphs@autox.team.net</a>><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [TR] Travel and tu=
ning question<u></u><u></u></p></div></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"> <u><=
/u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Before the pandemic I drove my TR3 from=
sea level in California, to Flagstaff Arizona, just shy of 7000=E2=80=99, f=
or Triumphest. On the way home we drove over Tioga Pass going into Yos=
emite at 9,945 feet. I didn=E2=80=99t adjust anything and it ran well.=
<u></u><u></u></p><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p></div>=
<div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Rye<u></u><u></u></p><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"=
> <u></u><u></u></p></div><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><image001=
.jpg><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><br><br><br><u><=
/u><u></u></p><blockquote style=3D"margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><di=
v><p class=3D"MsoNormal">On Dec 4, 2022, at 2:37 AM, <a href=3D"mailto:johnb=
macartney@gmx.com" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">johnbmaca=
rtney@gmx.com</a> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"> =
;<u></u><u></u></p><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Agreed. I don=E2=80=99t r=
ecall either of those Stags suffering fuel starvation or 'altitude' sickness=
. One on SU's, the other on Strombergs. Must admit I was glad when we did th=
e descent as the altitude was doing me no good at all. That said, a great dr=
ive in both directions, a fine day and an amazing view at the summit.<br><br=
>jonmac<br><br>-----Original Message-----<br>From: <a href=3D"mailto:stagbyt=
riumph@triumphstagclub.org" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">=
stagbytriumph@triumphstagclub.org</a> <<a href=3D"mailto:stagbytriumph@tr=
iumphstagclub.org" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">stagbytri=
umph@triumphstagclub.org</a>> <br>Sent: 02 December 2022 21:34<br>To: 'Da=
ve Connitt' <<a href=3D"mailto:dconnitt@fuse.net"; rel=3D"noreferrer noref=
errer" target=3D"_blank">dconnitt@fuse.net</a>>; 'Randy and Valerie DeRui=
ter' <<a href=3D"mailto:deruiterville@hotmail.com"; rel=3D"noreferrer nore=
ferrer" target=3D"_blank">deruiterville@hotmail.com</a>><br>Cc: 'Triumphs=
' <<a href=3D"mailto:triumphs@autox.team.net"; rel=3D"noreferrer noreferre=
r" target=3D"_blank">triumphs@autox.team.net</a>><br>Subject: Re: [TR] Tr=
avel and tuning question<br><br>I hear there are a lot of "'deer" on top of P=
ikes Peak at various times!<br><br>Glenn aka StagByTriumph<br><br>-----Origi=
nal Message-----<br>From: Triumphs <<a href=3D"mailto:triumphs-bounces@au=
tox.team.net" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">triumphs-bounc=
es@autox.team.net</a>> On Behalf Of Dave Connitt<br>Sent: Friday, Decembe=
r 2, 2022 10:45 AM<br>To: Randy and Valerie DeRuiter <<a href=3D"mailto:d=
eruiterville@hotmail.com" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">de=
ruiterville@hotmail.com</a>><br>Cc: Triumphs <<a href=3D"mailto:triump=
hs@autox.team.net" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">triumphs@=
autox.team.net</a>><br>Subject: Re: [TR] Travel and tuning question<br><b=
r>Thanks for the tip Randy! <br>Yea, the trip to Pikes Peak started from a c=
onversation with some TriState Triumph people at lunch after one of our =E2=80=
=9Cspirited drives=E2=80=9D. The trip up Pikes Peak was a bucket list goal o=
f one of the couples. I asked my wife if she wanted to go too and after sayi=
ng yes, she suggested that since we will be out west why not see some other s=
ites? We=E2=80=99re both retired so there=E2=80=99s no hurry getting back ho=
me. There=E2=80=99s about 8 of us going to Pikes Peak so far. I haven=E2=80=99=
t mentioned our extended trip to the group yet but some of them may want to g=
o with us instead of driving straight back to Cinci.<br><br>Thanks again for=
the electric fuel pump idea!!<br>Tha car is already up on the QuckJack<span=
style=3D"font-family:"Segoe UI Emoji",sans-serif">=F0=9F=98=81</s=
pan>.<br>Dave and Colleen Connitt<br>FOG 51<br><br>Sent from my iPhone<br><b=
r><br><br><u></u><u></u></p><blockquote style=3D"margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bot=
tom:5.0pt"><p class=3D"MsoNormal">On Dec 2, 2022, at 11:56 AM, Randy and Val=
erie DeRuiter <<a href=3D"mailto:deruiterville@hotmail.com"; rel=3D"norefe=
rrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">deruiterville@hotmail.com</a>> wrote:<=
br><br>=EF=BB=BFDave<br><br>Sounds like a great trip - I didn=E2=80=99t make=
the last tour with my other FOG buddies but when they went through the Rock=
ies the #1 issue at altitude was the mechanical fuel pump cavitating due to e=
thanol gas we think. A couple guys on the trip hooked up temporary ele=
ctric pumps and had no issue - no carb adjustments were made for any of them=
.<br><br>Randy<br>FOG37<br><br>Sent from my iPhone<br><br><br><br><u></u><u>=
</u></p><blockquote style=3D"margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class=3D=
"MsoNormal">On Dec 2, 2022, at 10:15 AM, Dave Connitt <<a href=3D"mailto:=
dconnitt@fuse.net" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">dconnitt@=
fuse.net</a>> wrote:<br><br>=EF=BB=BFHi all,<br>This coming summer my wif=
e and I are planning a fairly long trip in my TR4A leaving from Cincin=
nati, Ohio (altitude approximately 500=E2=80=99). Our first destination is g=
oing to be Colorado Springs, Co. to drive up Pikes Peak (altitude approximat=
ely 14,115=E2=80=99). Then north to Mt. Rushmore (altitude approximately 5,7=
00=E2=80=99), then north to drive through Yellowstone national park (altitud=
e approximately 9,200=E2=80=99). That=E2=80=99s going to be quite a swing in=
altitude and I am wondering if I will have to occasionally tune the SU HS-6=
carbs? Has anyone on the list done a similar drive? If so, how did your Tri=
umph run and what did you have to adjust?<br>Thanks in advance!<br>Dave Conn=
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