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That is great stuff, thanks John. The Sprite/Spitfire competition must
have been pretty fierce, there were possibilities for improving the Sprite
too, like using the Cooper S version of the 1275 A series. But that would
have made the Sprite as quick or quicker than a Spitfire but also as fast
or faster than an MGB, and of course the car would have been more
expensive. They always built the cars to a price didn't they? Fun to think
of what might have been, and also fun to cobble up our own modern versions
of the factory hot rods.
Greg Lemon
On Thu, Dec 8, 2022, 12:20 PM <johnbmacartney@gmx.com> wrote:
> Hi, Dave,
>
>
>
> Very few, if any of the Experimental Engineers made it into the public an=
d
> enthusiast=E2=80=99s eye except for one or two =E2=80=93 and they were ma=
inly known only in
> the UK. Sadly, all but one of them are now fixing Heralds in heaven. One =
of
> them was the late Ray Henderson from the Experimental Department. A lovel=
y,
> unassuming man who was a brilliant engineer of the old school and who cou=
ld
> turn his hand to fixing the impossible miles from anywhere, told me many
> stories of his experiences. Ray undertook quite a number of trips in
> development cars to far flung destinations and the one about which he was
> the most critical was being one of the crew that drove two or three Heral=
ds
> (pre-launch versions) from Cape Town in South Africa to London. The book =
of
> that trip was called =E2=80=9CTurn Left at Tangier=E2=80=9D though I don=
=E2=80=99t think Ray
> provided much of the input to it being written. If he had, it=E2=80=99s l=
ikely he=E2=80=99d
> have either lost his job or been seriously disciplined on his return. He
> was scathing in the extreme about the whole venture and highly critical o=
f
> the Company for even suggesting the exercise in the first place. In Ray=
=E2=80=99s
> view =E2=80=93 which I think was shared by all those who went with him on=
the trip,
> was that the cars were totally unsuited to the journey they made and it=
=E2=80=99s a
> tribute to Ray and his colleagues that they actually managed to get the
> cars back, so badly were they damaged by the appalling so-called roads an=
d
> no roads at all in crossing the Sahara desert. Apart from the unsuitabili=
ty
> of the chosen route, none of those who took part were given any kind of
> training or pre-run preparation in terms of the types of terrain, culture=
,
> language, don=E2=80=99t-do=E2=80=99s etc that they would encounter, the v=
ery real dangers
> that faced them in going through certain countries where the white man
> definitely was not wanted, through training in basic medicine and first
> aid, treating colleagues for scorpion attacks or snake bite and damn all =
in
> terms of carrying appropriate medical kits on all the vehicles. As I
> recall, there were three Heralds, one Vanguard estate car and a Standard
> Atlas van with about one and a half tons of parts, tools, fuel, water and
> camping kit =E2=80=93 and just one 948cc engine to drive it!!!!! Ray told=
me that
> each Herald required at least three rear suspension rebuilds en-route,
> several clutch changes and two or three major gearbox failures! I can=E2=
=80=99t
> recall the details now, but there were so many driveshaft, rear wheel
> carriers and other vital parts failures, that several more were
> air-freighted out to Nigeria in the hope of getting the cars home. I do
> know all the cars were re-fitted in Lagos, Nigeria with locally made
> radiators that didn=E2=80=99t break or crack as a result of vibration. Ha=
ving spent
> a lot of time in Africa myself, I know what their roads can do and I have=
a
> lot of respect for local tradespeople on street corners who can do truly
> amazing things in repairing something that looks smashed beyond repair.
> Anyway, when they finally got to Coventry, all the men who had taken part
> in the event, were publicly castigated by Harry Webster, the Director of
> Engineering for submitting trip reports that were critical of a number of
> Webster-inspired features on the Herald in particular. Ray summarised tha=
t
> event as =E2=80=9Cthe journey through hell=E2=80=9D and he was very criti=
cal of Alick Dick
> (Standard-Triumph=E2=80=99s CEO) and Frank Higham (Sales Director) for ab=
dicating
> the company=E2=80=99s duty of care to employees in sending that team of m=
en on what
> they felt was a dangerous and ill thought-out expedition in cars that wer=
e
> totally unsuited to that sort of travel in such conditions.
>
> Another of Ray=E2=80=99s unique contributions was the creation of a Spitf=
ire whose
> roadholding was far better than the Sprite/Midget in standard spec. It wa=
s
> so good that Webster insisted it should be put in the crusher and the
> concept forgotten. Basically, Ray modified a Spitfire taken off the line,
> substantially reinforced the rear part of the bodyshell and re-equipped t=
he
> car with semi-trailing arms and coil springs as per the TR4A but using
> parts from the Triumph 1300 front wheel drive car. Ray did that conversio=
n,
> on his own, in the Engineering workshop in just three weeks =E2=80=93 and=
without
> any drawings at all! It was all done on =E2=80=9Cif it looks right, it=E2=
=80=99ll probably
> be right =E2=80=93 and it was. That car was so good it **ought** to have =
gone
> into production but the costs that would have been incurred in completely
> re-jigging the chassis and doing major work in re-designing and
> strengthening the body tub would have put another GBP50 (@ 1966 values) =
on
> the manufacturing cost of the car. Such a cost would have translated to a=
n
> extra GBP250 at retail =E2=80=93 and Webster claimed (perhaps correctly?)=
that this
> would price the Spitfire out of the market and make the Spridget the
> favoured car for its price, so he threw the whole idea out. A terrible
> shame in its way. All those (few) who drove the car =E2=80=93 apart from =
Webster,
> were unanimous it was the way the Spitfire should have been designed from
> the start and leading that argument was the Company=E2=80=99s chief test =
driver!
>
> So, a little bit of =E2=80=98behind the scenes=E2=80=99 history for those=
who are
> interested. Apologies for taking up space they may not interest most peop=
le.
>
>
>
> Jonmac
>
>
>
> *From:* Dave Connitt <dconnitt@fuse.net>
> *Sent:* 06 December 2022 14:04
> *To:* johnbmacartney@gmx.com
> *Cc:* Rye Livingston <ryel@mac.com>; stagbytriumph@triumphstagclub.org;
> Randy and Valerie DeRuiter <deruiterville@hotmail.com>; Triumphs <
> triumphs@autox.team.net>
> *Subject:* Re: [TR] Travel and tuning question
>
>
>
> That=E2=80=99s interesting Jonmac,
>
> Did any of those shows ever discuss how the drivers handled the altitude?
> Asking for a friend, LOL.
>
> Dave Connitt
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
>
> On Dec 6, 2022, at 4:12 AM, johnbmacartney@gmx.com wrote:
>
> =EF=BB=BF
>
> Back in the day =E2=80=93 like fifty plus years ago, all the larger UK ca=
r makers
> undertook extensive altitude testing on all their cars. Favourite locatio=
ns
> were Europe, Scandinavia, Canadian Rockies, the Andes and Iran before the
> Shah was deposed. Lots of Pike=E2=80=99s Peak equivalent places in some o=
f those
> locations and this sort of testing is something many enthusiasts don=E2=
=80=99t take
> on board.
>
>
>
> Jonmac
>
>
>
> *From:* Rye Livingston <ryel@mac.com>
> *Sent:* 05 December 2022 19:22
> *To:* johnbmacartney@gmx.com
> *Cc:* stagbytriumph@triumphstagclub.org; Dave Connitt <dconnitt@fuse.net>=
;
> Randy and Valerie DeRuiter <deruiterville@hotmail.com>; Triumphs <
> triumphs@autox.team.net>
> *Subject:* Re: [TR] Travel and tuning question
>
>
>
> Before the pandemic I drove my TR3 from sea level in California, to
> Flagstaff Arizona, just shy of 7000=E2=80=99, for Triumphest. On the way=
home we
> drove over Tioga Pass going into Yosemite at 9,945 feet. I didn=E2=80=99=
t adjust
> anything and it ran well.
>
>
>
> Rye
>
>
>
> <image001.jpg>
>
>
>
>
> On Dec 4, 2022, at 2:37 AM, johnbmacartney@gmx.com wrote:
>
>
>
> Agreed. I don=E2=80=99t recall either of those Stags suffering fuel starv=
ation or
> 'altitude' sickness. One on SU's, the other on Strombergs. Must admit I w=
as
> glad when we did the descent as the altitude was doing me no good at all.
> That said, a great drive in both directions, a fine day and an amazing vi=
ew
> at the summit.
>
> jonmac
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: stagbytriumph@triumphstagclub.org <stagbytriumph@triumphstagclub.or=
g>
>
> Sent: 02 December 2022 21:34
> To: 'Dave Connitt' <dconnitt@fuse.net>; 'Randy and Valerie DeRuiter' <
> deruiterville@hotmail.com>
> Cc: 'Triumphs' <triumphs@autox.team.net>
> Subject: Re: [TR] Travel and tuning question
>
> I hear there are a lot of "'deer" on top of Pikes Peak at various times!
>
> Glenn aka StagByTriumph
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Dave Connit=
t
> Sent: Friday, December 2, 2022 10:45 AM
> To: Randy and Valerie DeRuiter <deruiterville@hotmail.com>
> Cc: Triumphs <triumphs@autox.team.net>
> Subject: Re: [TR] Travel and tuning question
>
> Thanks for the tip Randy!
> Yea, the trip to Pikes Peak started from a conversation with some TriStat=
e
> Triumph people at lunch after one of our =E2=80=9Cspirited drives=E2=80=
=9D. The trip up
> Pikes Peak was a bucket list goal of one of the couples. I asked my wife =
if
> she wanted to go too and after saying yes, she suggested that since we wi=
ll
> be out west why not see some other sites? We=E2=80=99re both retired so t=
here=E2=80=99s no
> hurry getting back home. There=E2=80=99s about 8 of us going to Pikes Pea=
k so far.
> I haven=E2=80=99t mentioned our extended trip to the group yet but some o=
f them may
> want to go with us instead of driving straight back to Cinci.
>
> Thanks again for the electric fuel pump idea!!
> Tha car is already up on the QuckJack=F0=9F=98=81.
> Dave and Colleen Connitt
> FOG 51
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
>
> On Dec 2, 2022, at 11:56 AM, Randy and Valerie DeRuiter <
> deruiterville@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> =EF=BB=BFDave
>
> Sounds like a great trip - I didn=E2=80=99t make the last tour with my ot=
her FOG
> buddies but when they went through the Rockies the #1 issue at altitude w=
as
> the mechanical fuel pump cavitating due to ethanol gas we think. A coupl=
e
> guys on the trip hooked up temporary electric pumps and had no issue - no
> carb adjustments were made for any of them.
>
> Randy
> FOG37
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
>
> On Dec 2, 2022, at 10:15 AM, Dave Connitt <dconnitt@fuse.net> wrote:
>
> =EF=BB=BFHi all,
> This coming summer my wife and I are planning a fairly long trip in my
> TR4A leaving from Cincinnati, Ohio (altitude approximately 500=E2=80=99)=
. Our
> first destination is going to be Colorado Springs, Co. to drive up Pikes
> Peak (altitude approximately 14,115=E2=80=99). Then north to Mt. Rushmore=
(altitude
> approximately 5,700=E2=80=99), then north to drive through Yellowstone na=
tional
> park (altitude approximately 9,200=E2=80=99). That=E2=80=99s going to be =
quite a swing in
> altitude and I am wondering if I will have to occasionally tune the SU HS=
-6
> carbs? Has anyone on the list done a similar drive? If so, how did your
> Triumph run and what did you have to adjust?
> Thanks in advance!
> Dave Connitt
> =E2=80=9867 TR4A-IRS
> DavesTR4A.com
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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<div dir=3D"auto">That is great stuff, thanks John.=C2=A0 The Sprite/Spitfi=
re competition must have been pretty fierce, there were possibilities for i=
mproving the Sprite too, like using the Cooper S version of the 1275 A seri=
es.=C2=A0 But that would have made the Sprite as quick or quicker than a Sp=
itfire but also as fast or faster than an MGB, and of course the car would =
have been more expensive.=C2=A0 They always built the cars to a price didn&=
#39;t they? Fun to think of what might have been, and also fun to cobble up=
our own modern versions of the factory hot rods.<div dir=3D"auto"><br></di=
v><div dir=3D"auto">Greg Lemon</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><d=
iv dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Thu, Dec 8, 2022, 12:20 PM <<a h=
ref=3D"mailto:johnbmacartney@gmx.com"; target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">=
johnbmacartney@gmx.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_q=
uote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1e=
x"><div lang=3D"EN-GB" link=3D"blue" vlink=3D"purple" style=3D"word-wrap:br=
eak-word"><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span>Hi, Dave,<u></u><u></u></span><=
/p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p><p class=3D"=
MsoNormal"><span>Very few, if any of the Experimental Engineers made it int=
o the public and enthusiast=E2=80=99s eye except for one or two =E2=80=93 a=
nd they were mainly known only in the UK. Sadly, all but one of them are no=
w fixing Heralds in heaven. One of them was the late Ray Henderson from the=
Experimental Department. A lovely, unassuming man who was a brilliant engi=
neer of the old school and who could turn his hand to fixing the impossible=
miles from anywhere, told me many stories of his experiences. Ray undertoo=
k quite a number of trips in development cars to far flung destinations and=
the one about which he was the most critical was being one of the crew tha=
t drove two or three Heralds (pre-launch versions) from Cape Town in South =
Africa to London. The book of that trip was called =E2=80=9CTurn Left at Ta=
ngier=E2=80=9D though I don=E2=80=99t think Ray provided much of the input =
to it being written. If he had, it=E2=80=99s likely he=E2=80=99d have eithe=
r lost his job or been seriously disciplined on his return. He was scathing=
in the extreme about the whole venture and highly critical of the Company =
for even suggesting the exercise in the first place. In Ray=E2=80=99s view =
=E2=80=93 which I think was shared by all those who went with him on the tr=
ip, was that the cars were totally unsuited to the journey they made and it=
=E2=80=99s a tribute to Ray and his colleagues that they actually managed t=
o get the cars back, so badly were they damaged by the appalling so-called =
roads and no roads at all in crossing the Sahara desert. Apart from the uns=
uitability of the chosen route, none of those who took part were given any =
kind of training or pre-run preparation in terms of the types of terrain, c=
ulture, language, don=E2=80=99t-do=E2=80=99s etc that they would encounter,=
the very real dangers that faced them in going through certain countries w=
here the white man definitely was not wanted, through training in basic med=
icine and first aid, treating colleagues for scorpion attacks or snake bite=
and damn all in terms of carrying appropriate medical kits on all the vehi=
cles. As I recall, there were three Heralds, one Vanguard estate car and a =
Standard Atlas van with about one and a half tons of parts, tools, fuel, wa=
ter and camping kit =E2=80=93 and just one 948cc engine to drive it!!!!! Ra=
y told me that each Herald required at least three rear suspension rebuilds=
en-route, several clutch changes and two or three major gearbox failures! =
I can=E2=80=99t recall the details now, but there were so many driveshaft, =
rear wheel carriers and other vital parts failures, that several more were =
air-freighted out to Nigeria in the hope of getting the cars home. I do kno=
w all the cars were re-fitted in Lagos, Nigeria with locally made radiators=
that didn=E2=80=99t break or crack as a result of vibration. Having spent =
a lot of time in Africa myself, I know what their roads can do and I have a=
lot of respect for local tradespeople on street corners who can do truly a=
mazing things in repairing something that looks smashed beyond repair. Anyw=
ay, when they finally got to Coventry, all the men who had taken part in th=
e event, were publicly castigated by Harry Webster, the Director of Enginee=
ring for submitting trip reports that were critical of a number of Webster-=
inspired features on the Herald in particular. Ray summarised that event as=
=E2=80=9Cthe journey through hell=E2=80=9D and he was very critical of Ali=
ck Dick (Standard-Triumph=E2=80=99s CEO) and Frank Higham (Sales Director) =
for abdicating the company=E2=80=99s duty of care to employees in sending t=
hat team of men on what they felt was a dangerous and ill thought-out exped=
ition in cars that were totally unsuited to that sort of travel in such con=
ditions.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span>Another of Ra=
y=E2=80=99s unique contributions was the creation of a Spitfire whose roadh=
olding was far better than the Sprite/Midget in standard spec. It was so go=
od that Webster insisted it should be put in the crusher and the concept fo=
rgotten. Basically, Ray modified a Spitfire taken off the line, substantial=
ly reinforced the rear part of the bodyshell and re-equipped the car with s=
emi-trailing arms and coil springs as per the TR4A but using parts from the=
Triumph 1300 front wheel drive car. Ray did that conversion, on his own, i=
n the Engineering workshop in just three weeks =E2=80=93 and without any dr=
awings at all! It was all done on =E2=80=9Cif it looks right, it=E2=80=99ll=
probably be right =E2=80=93 and it was. That car was so good it *<b>ought<=
/b>* to have gone into production but the costs that would have been incurr=
ed in completely re-jigging the chassis and doing major work in re-designin=
g and strengthening the body tub would have put another GBP50 (@ 1966 value=
s) =C2=A0on the manufacturing cost of the car. Such a cost would have trans=
lated to an extra GBP250 at retail =E2=80=93 and Webster claimed (perhaps c=
orrectly?) that this would price the Spitfire out of the market and make th=
e Spridget the favoured car for its price, so he threw the whole idea out. =
A terrible shame in its way. All those (few) who drove the car =E2=80=93 ap=
art from Webster, were unanimous it was the way the Spitfire should have be=
en designed from the start and leading that argument was the Company=E2=80=
=99s chief test driver!<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><spa=
n>So, a little bit of =E2=80=98behind the scenes=E2=80=99 history for those=
who are interested. Apologies for taking up space they may not interest mo=
st people.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span><u></u>=C2=
=A0<u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span>Jonmac<u></u><u></u></spa=
n></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p><div><div=
style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #e1e1e1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm =
0cm;font-size:pt"><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Dave Connitt <<a h=
ref=3D"mailto:dconnitt@fuse.net"; rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_b=
lank">dconnitt@fuse.net</a>> <br><b>Sent:</b> 06 December 2022 14:04<br>=
<b>To:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:johnbmacartney@gmx.com"; rel=3D"noreferrer nore=
ferrer" target=3D"_blank">johnbmacartney@gmx.com</a><br><b>Cc:</b> Rye Livi=
ngston <<a href=3D"mailto:ryel@mac.com"; rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer" ta=
rget=3D"_blank">ryel@mac.com</a>>; <a href=3D"mailto:stagbytriumph@trium=
phstagclub.org" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">stagbytrium=
ph@triumphstagclub.org</a>; Randy and Valerie DeRuiter <<a href=3D"mailt=
o:deruiterville@hotmail.com" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank=
">deruiterville@hotmail.com</a>>; Triumphs <<a href=3D"mailto:triumph=
s@autox.team.net" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">triumphs@=
autox.team.net</a>><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [TR] Travel and tuning questi=
on<u></u><u></u></p></div></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u>=
</p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">That=E2=80=99s interesting Jonmac,<u></u><u></u>=
</p><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Did any of those shows ever discuss how the=
drivers handled the altitude? Asking for a friend, LOL.<u></u><u></u></p><=
/div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt">Dave Connit=
t<u></u><u></u></p><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Sent from my iPhone<u></u><u=
></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><br><br><u></u><u></u></p><block=
quote style=3D"margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class=3D"MsoNormal"=
style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt">On Dec 6, 2022, at 4:12 AM, <a href=3D"mail=
to:johnbmacartney@gmx.com" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">=
johnbmacartney@gmx.com</a> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p></blockquote></div><bloc=
kquote style=3D"margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><div><p class=3D"MsoN=
ormal">=EF=BB=BF<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span>Back in the =
day =E2=80=93 like fifty plus years ago, all the larger UK car makers under=
took extensive altitude testing on all their cars. Favourite locations were=
Europe, Scandinavia, Canadian Rockies, the Andes and Iran before the Shah =
was deposed. Lots of Pike=E2=80=99s Peak equivalent places in some of those=
locations and this sort of testing is something many enthusiasts don=E2=80=
=99t take on board.</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span>=
=C2=A0</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span>Jonmac</span><u=
></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span>=C2=A0</span><u></u><u></u></p=
><div><div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #e1e1e1 1.0pt;padding:3.0p=
t 0cm 0cm 0cm;font-size:pt"><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Rye Livings=
ton <<a href=3D"mailto:ryel@mac.com"; rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer" targe=
t=3D"_blank">ryel@mac.com</a>> <br><b>Sent:</b> 05 December 2022 19:22<b=
r><b>To:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:johnbmacartney@gmx.com"; rel=3D"noreferrer no=
referrer" target=3D"_blank">johnbmacartney@gmx.com</a><br><b>Cc:</b> <a hre=
f=3D"mailto:stagbytriumph@triumphstagclub.org"; rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer=
" target=3D"_blank">stagbytriumph@triumphstagclub.org</a>; Dave Connitt <=
;<a href=3D"mailto:dconnitt@fuse.net"; rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer" target=
=3D"_blank">dconnitt@fuse.net</a>>; Randy and Valerie DeRuiter <<a hr=
ef=3D"mailto:deruiterville@hotmail.com"; rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer" targe=
t=3D"_blank">deruiterville@hotmail.com</a>>; Triumphs <<a href=3D"mai=
lto:triumphs@autox.team.net" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank=
">triumphs@autox.team.net</a>><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [TR] Travel and tu=
ning question<u></u><u></u></p></div></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u>=
</u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Before the pandemic I drove my TR3 fr=
om sea level in California, to Flagstaff Arizona, just shy of 7000=E2=80=99=
, for Triumphest.=C2=A0 On the way home we drove over Tioga Pass going into=
Yosemite at 9,945 feet.=C2=A0 I didn=E2=80=99t adjust anything and it ran =
well.<u></u><u></u></p><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>=
</div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Rye<u></u><u></u></p><div><p class=3D"Mso=
Normal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><=
image001.jpg><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><br><br=
><br><u></u><u></u></p><blockquote style=3D"margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:=
5.0pt"><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">On Dec 4, 2022, at 2:37 AM, <a href=3D"m=
ailto:johnbmacartney@gmx.com" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blan=
k">johnbmacartney@gmx.com</a> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p></div><p class=3D"Mso=
Normal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Agreed. I =
don=E2=80=99t recall either of those Stags suffering fuel starvation or =
9;altitude' sickness. One on SU's, the other on Strombergs. Must ad=
mit I was glad when we did the descent as the altitude was doing me no good=
at all. That said, a great drive in both directions, a fine day and an ama=
zing view at the summit.<br><br>jonmac<br><br>-----Original Message-----<br=
>From: <a href=3D"mailto:stagbytriumph@triumphstagclub.org"; rel=3D"noreferr=
er noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">stagbytriumph@triumphstagclub.org</a> <=
<a href=3D"mailto:stagbytriumph@triumphstagclub.org"; rel=3D"noreferrer nore=
ferrer" target=3D"_blank">stagbytriumph@triumphstagclub.org</a>> <br>Sen=
t: 02 December 2022 21:34<br>To: 'Dave Connitt' <<a href=3D"mail=
to:dconnitt@fuse.net" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">dconn=
itt@fuse.net</a>>; 'Randy and Valerie DeRuiter' <<a href=3D"m=
ailto:deruiterville@hotmail.com" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_b=
lank">deruiterville@hotmail.com</a>><br>Cc: 'Triumphs' <<a hr=
ef=3D"mailto:triumphs@autox.team.net"; rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer" target=
=3D"_blank">triumphs@autox.team.net</a>><br>Subject: Re: [TR] Travel and=
tuning question<br><br>I hear there are a lot of "'deer" on =
top of Pikes Peak at various times!<br><br>Glenn aka StagByTriumph<br><br>-=
----Original Message-----<br>From: Triumphs <<a href=3D"mailto:triumphs-=
bounces@autox.team.net" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">tri=
umphs-bounces@autox.team.net</a>> On Behalf Of Dave Connitt<br>Sent: Fri=
day, December 2, 2022 10:45 AM<br>To: Randy and Valerie DeRuiter <<a hre=
f=3D"mailto:deruiterville@hotmail.com"; rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer" target=
=3D"_blank">deruiterville@hotmail.com</a>><br>Cc: Triumphs <<a href=
=3D"mailto:triumphs@autox.team.net"; rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D=
"_blank">triumphs@autox.team.net</a>><br>Subject: Re: [TR] Travel and tu=
ning question<br><br>Thanks for the tip Randy! <br>Yea, the trip to Pikes P=
eak started from a conversation with some TriState Triumph people at lunch =
after one of our =E2=80=9Cspirited drives=E2=80=9D. The trip up Pikes Peak =
was a bucket list goal of one of the couples. I asked my wife if she wanted=
to go too and after saying yes, she suggested that since we will be out we=
st why not see some other sites? We=E2=80=99re both retired so there=E2=80=
=99s no hurry getting back home. There=E2=80=99s about 8 of us going to Pik=
es Peak so far. I haven=E2=80=99t mentioned our extended trip to the group =
yet but some of them may want to go with us instead of driving straight bac=
k to Cinci.<br><br>Thanks again for the electric fuel pump idea!!<br>Tha ca=
r is already up on the QuckJack<span style=3D"font-family:"Segoe UI Em=
oji",sans-serif">=F0=9F=98=81</span>.<br>Dave and Colleen Connitt<br>F=
OG 51<br><br>Sent from my iPhone<br><br><br><br><u></u><u></u></p><blockquo=
te style=3D"margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class=3D"MsoNormal">On=
Dec 2, 2022, at 11:56 AM, Randy and Valerie DeRuiter <<a href=3D"mailto=
:deruiterville@hotmail.com" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank"=
>deruiterville@hotmail.com</a>> wrote:<br><br>=EF=BB=BFDave<br><br>Sound=
s like a great trip - I didn=E2=80=99t make the last tour with my other FOG=
buddies but when they went through the Rockies the #1 issue at altitude wa=
s the mechanical fuel pump cavitating due to ethanol gas we think.=C2=A0 A =
couple guys on the trip hooked up temporary electric pumps and had no issue=
- no carb adjustments were made for any of them.<br><br>Randy<br>FOG37<br>=
<br>Sent from my iPhone<br><br><br><br><u></u><u></u></p><blockquote style=
=3D"margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class=3D"MsoNormal">On Dec 2, =
2022, at 10:15 AM, Dave Connitt <<a href=3D"mailto:dconnitt@fuse.net"; re=
l=3D"noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">dconnitt@fuse.net</a>> wro=
te:<br><br>=EF=BB=BFHi all,<br>This coming summer my wife and I are plannin=
g a fairly long trip in my TR4A =C2=A0leaving from Cincinnati, Ohio (altitu=
de approximately 500=E2=80=99). Our first destination is going to be Colora=
do Springs, Co. to drive up Pikes Peak (altitude approximately 14,115=E2=80=
=99). Then north to Mt. Rushmore (altitude approximately 5,700=E2=80=99), t=
hen north to drive through Yellowstone national park (altitude approximatel=
y 9,200=E2=80=99). That=E2=80=99s going to be quite a swing in altitude and=
I am wondering if I will have to occasionally tune the SU HS-6 carbs? Has =
anyone on the list done a similar drive? If so, how did your Triumph run an=
d what did you have to adjust?<br>Thanks in advance!<br>Dave Connitt<br>=E2=
=80=9867 TR4A-IRS<br><a href=3D"http://DavesTR4A.com"; rel=3D"noreferrer nor=
eferrer" target=3D"_blank">DavesTR4A.com</a><br><br>Sent from my iPhone<br>=
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