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Subject: Re: [Tigers] Brake Issue
From: coolvt--- via Tigers <tigers@autox.team.net>
Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2021 22:47:29 +0000 (UTC)
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Sounds like you've found your problem.=C2=A0 Good luck and enjoy once you'r=
e back on the road.

In a message dated 6/25/2021 5:59:38 PM Eastern Standard Time, tigers@autox=
.team.net writes:=C2=A0An update on my master cylinder issue.=C2=A0 I dug o=
ut the original master cylinder that came with the car and I tore it apart =
and compared it to the cheap replacement I bought a couple of years ago.=C2=
=A0 All of the internals look to be the same except for the piston.=C2=A0 T=
he original piston has a very deep depression where the push rod fits and t=
he cheap replacement has a very shallow depression.=C2=A0 I did some more s=
earching and found a discussion on the SAOCA website ( http://forum.sunbeam=
alpine.org/index.php?threads/brake-master-cylinder-issue.25568/ ) that desc=
ribes exactly what I am seeing.=C2=A0 I'm betting that the master cylinder =
I bought is either for an older Alpine or some other British car.=C2=A0 I h=
ave a new one on order from Sunbeam Specialties.=C2=A0Thanks,Joe Brown
On Thu, Jun 24, 2021 at 3:48 PM Joe Brown <jbbrown1980@gmail.com> wrote:
I should clarify.=C2=A0 I had the brake locking problem before I replaced o=
r rebuilt everything.=C2=A0 And I still have the same problem.=C2=A0 Could =
it be something with the master cylinder?=C2=A0Thanks,Joe
On Thu, Jun 24, 2021 at 3:45 PM Joe Brown <jbbrown1980@gmail.com> wrote:
I have brand new rubber hoses that I got from Sunbeam Specialties last week=
.
On Thu, Jun 24, 2021 at 3:42 PM Donald Antilla <fast427@sbcglobal.net> wrot=
e:
I had this problem on two different cars. The cause was old flexible hydrau=
lic hoses that had deteriorated inside.=20
I changed them and the problem was resolved.=20

>From Don's iPhone 203-592-8427
Or 203-264-8301 home

> On Jun 24, 2021, at 4:39 PM, Joe Brown via Tigers <tigers@autox.team.net>=
 wrote:
>=20
>=20
> Hey,
>=20
> I'm scratching my head over an issue I'm having with my brakes.=C2=A0 Thi=
s actually started last year and I'm just now trying to sort it out.
>=20
> Basically, after pumping the brake pedal a few times the front brakes loc=
k up (only the fronts).=C2=A0 If I crack open either bleed screw they free =
up.=C2=A0 In fact, cracking open the line anywhere going back to the master=
 cylinder frees up the brakes.
>=20
> I have bypassed the booster, replaced all of the rubber lines and rebuilt=
 the calipers.=C2=A0 This seems to leave the master cylinder.=C2=A0 I disco=
nnected the brake line from the master cylinder and put a short line on it =
that feeds back into the master cylinder reservoir so I could bleed any air=
 out of it.=C2=A0 That all seems to work okay.
>=20
> So, I'm looking for other ideas.=C2=A0=20
>=20
> Thanks,
> Joe Brown=20
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<div><span style=3D"font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 1=
4pt; color: #000000;">Sounds like you've found your problem.&nbsp; Good luc=
k and enjoy once you're back on the road.<br><br></span></div>
</div>
In a message dated 6/25/2021 5:59:38 PM Eastern Standard Time, tigers@autox=
.team.net writes:
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div id=3D"yiv8143913673">
<div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">An update on my master cylinder issue.&nbsp; I dug out the=
 original master cylinder that came with the car and I tore it apart and co=
mpared it to the cheap replacement I bought a couple of years ago.&nbsp; Al=
l of the internals look to be the same except for the piston.&nbsp; The ori=
ginal piston has a very deep depression where the push rod fits and the che=
ap replacement has a very shallow depression.&nbsp; I did some more searchi=
ng and found a discussion on the SAOCA website ( <a href=3D"http://forum.su=
nbeamalpine.org/index.php?threads/brake-master-cylinder-issue.25568/" targe=
t=3D"_blank" rel=3D"nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape=3D"rect">http://for=
um.sunbeamalpine.org/index.php?threads/brake-master-cylinder-issue.25568/</=
a> ) that describes exactly what I am seeing.&nbsp; I'm betting that the ma=
ster cylinder I bought is either for an older Alpine or some other British =
car.&nbsp; I have a new one on order from Sunbeam Specialties.
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>Thanks,</div>
<div>Joe Brown</div>
</div>
<br clear=3D"none">
<div id=3D"yiv8143913673yqt38209" class=3D"yiv8143913673yqt7640438606">
<div class=3D"yiv8143913673gmail_quote">
<div class=3D"yiv8143913673gmail_attr" dir=3D"ltr">On Thu, Jun 24, 2021 at =
3:48 PM Joe Brown &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:jbbrown1980@gmail.com"; target=3D"_b=
lank" rel=3D"nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape=3D"rect">jbbrown1980@gmail=
.com</a>&gt; wrote:</div>
<blockquote class=3D"yiv8143913673gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0px 0px 0px=
 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #cccccc; padding-left: 1ex;">
<div dir=3D"ltr">I should clarify.&nbsp; I had the brake locking problem be=
fore I replaced or rebuilt everything.&nbsp; And I still have the same prob=
lem.&nbsp; Could it be something with the master cylinder?
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>Thanks,</div>
<div>Joe</div>
</div>
<br clear=3D"none">
<div class=3D"yiv8143913673gmail_quote">
<div class=3D"yiv8143913673gmail_attr" dir=3D"ltr">On Thu, Jun 24, 2021 at =
3:45 PM Joe Brown &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:jbbrown1980@gmail.com"; target=3D"_b=
lank" rel=3D"nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape=3D"rect">jbbrown1980@gmail=
.com</a>&gt; wrote:</div>
<blockquote class=3D"yiv8143913673gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0px 0px 0px=
 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #cccccc; padding-left: 1ex;">
<div dir=3D"ltr">I have brand new rubber hoses that I got from Sunbeam Spec=
ialties last week.</div>
<br clear=3D"none">
<div class=3D"yiv8143913673gmail_quote">
<div class=3D"yiv8143913673gmail_attr" dir=3D"ltr">On Thu, Jun 24, 2021 at =
3:42 PM Donald Antilla &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:fast427@sbcglobal.net"; target=
=3D"_blank" rel=3D"nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape=3D"rect">fast427@sbc=
global.net</a>&gt; wrote:</div>
<blockquote class=3D"yiv8143913673gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0px 0px 0px=
 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #cccccc; padding-left: 1ex;">I had this prob=
lem on two different cars. The cause was old flexible hydraulic hoses that =
had deteriorated inside. <br clear=3D"none">I changed them and the problem =
was resolved. <br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none">From Don's iPhone 203-5=
92-8427<br clear=3D"none">Or 203-264-8301 home<br clear=3D"none"><br clear=
=3D"none">&gt; On Jun 24, 2021, at 4:39 PM, Joe Brown via Tigers &lt;<a hre=
f=3D"mailto:tigers@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"nofollow noopen=
er noreferrer" shape=3D"rect">tigers@autox.team.net</a>&gt; wrote:<br clear=
=3D"none">&gt; <br clear=3D"none">&gt; <br clear=3D"none">&gt; Hey,<br clea=
r=3D"none">&gt; <br clear=3D"none">&gt; I'm scratching my head over an issu=
e I'm having with my brakes.&nbsp; This actually started last year and I'm =
just now trying to sort it out.<br clear=3D"none">&gt; <br clear=3D"none">&=
gt; Basically, after pumping the brake pedal a few times the front brakes l=
ock up (only the fronts).&nbsp; If I crack open either bleed screw they fre=
e up.&nbsp; In fact, cracking open the line anywhere going back to the mast=
er cylinder frees up the brakes.<br clear=3D"none">&gt; <br clear=3D"none">=
&gt; I have bypassed the booster, replaced all of the rubber lines and rebu=
ilt the calipers.&nbsp; This seems to leave the master cylinder.&nbsp; I di=
sconnected the brake line from the master cylinder and put a short line on =
it that feeds back into the master cylinder reservoir so I could bleed any =
air out of it.&nbsp; That all seems to work okay.<br clear=3D"none">&gt; <b=
r clear=3D"none">&gt; So, I'm looking for other ideas.&nbsp; <br clear=3D"n=
one">&gt; <br clear=3D"none">&gt; Thanks,<br clear=3D"none">&gt; Joe Brown =
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