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Re: [Tigers] Clutch issue

To: Theo Smit <tsmit@shaw.ca>, Michael Wood <mwood24020@aol.com>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Clutch issue
From: Gary <garywinblad@comcast.net>
Date: Fri, 28 May 2021 20:28:09 -0700
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Hi Theo!
Interesting.  Steve Wickland has the McLeod in his Tiger.  He has been 
complaining about it for some time, I forget but I think his is causing
the clutch to slip.  Tom Hall recommended to use hard line and fittings 
because the McLeod swivel ones leak (IIRC).
Gary


On 5/28/2021 7:55 PM, Theo Smit wrote:
> I ended up making an anti-rotation bracket that located the McLeod 
> throwout bearing and kept it from pulling on the swivel fittings. 
> Without that, the fittings would leak a bit of fluid every time you 
> applied the clutch with the engine running.
> Theo
>
>> On May 28, 2021, at 8:25 PM, Michael Wood via Tigers 
>> <tigers@autox.team.net> wrote:
>>
>> 
>> Gary, the McLeod in "Blue" (Tom's med blue car) is still going strong 
>> after 25 years, so I'm not sure why he bailed. I think it is mostly 
>> because he's had no complaints about the Tilton and likes doing the 
>> conversion using their 7/8" master.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Gary <garywinblad@comcast.net>
>> To: tigers@autox.team.net
>> Sent: Fri, May 28, 2021 6:50 pm
>> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Clutch issue
>>
>> Thanks Mike,
>> Ok, yeah he was recommending the McCleod with his mod to the fittings...
>> Paul Reisentz also told me that McCLeod themselves did not recommend 
>> their part for use in Tigers!
>>
>> Tilton..  or are there any more details on your Australian job?
>> Gary
>>
>> On 5/28/2021 5:22 PM, Michael Wood via Tigers wrote:
>> I just talked to Tom. He's still using and recommending use of a 
>> hydraulic/annular TO bearing. But, he won't use the McLeod piece, 
>> only Tilton, these days.
>>
>> Mike
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Jerry Christopherson <JCMC2006@suddenlink.net> 
>> Sent: Fri, May 28, 2021 2:50 pm
>> Subject: [Tigers] Clutch issue
>>
>> Well, I did some measuring today (by the way the new clutch and 
>> cylinder kits didnâ??t solve my problem) and thought I would pass on 
>> info for anybody that is interested.
>>
>> The actual amount of movement of the slave cylinder with a full to 
>> the floor movement of the clutch peddle is .745â??.  The measure of the 
>> piston movement from the very back to when the piston comes to the 
>> very front of the cylinder (not protruding) is like I mentioned 
>> before is 1.35â??, so that leaves approximately .605â?? more potential 
>> movement to apply to the clutch arm.  Iâ??m hoping the .700 Girling 
>> master cylinder I just ordered will take up just that amount. I can 
>> only hope.  HA!  If not Iâ??ll pull the engine and tranny again and get 
>> a CF clutch.  As for a annular TO bearing, my friend has a highly 
>> modified Mazda with a 331 Ford engine for road racing with a annular 
>> TO bearing and it works very well with the stock master cylinder. I 
>> would be very interested in why TH doesnâ??t like them anymore.
>>
>> Jerry
>>
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    Hi Theo!<br>
    Interesting.  Steve Wickland has the McLeod in his Tiger.  He has
    been complaining about it for some time, I forget but I think his is
    causing<br>
    the clutch to slip.  Tom Hall recommended to use hard line and
    fittings because the McLeod swivel ones leak (IIRC).<br>
    Gary<br>
    <br>
    <br>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 5/28/2021 7:55 PM, Theo Smit wrote:<br>
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      <div dir="ltr">I ended up making an anti-rotation bracket that
        located the McLeod throwout bearing and kept it from pulling on
        the swivel fittings. Without that, the fittings would leak a bit
        of fluid every time you applied the clutch with the engine
        running. </div>
      <div dir="ltr">Theo</div>
      <div dir="ltr"><br>
        <blockquote type="cite">On May 28, 2021, at 8:25 PM, Michael
          Wood via Tigers <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" 
href="mailto:tigers@autox.team.net";>&lt;tigers@autox.team.net&gt;</a> wrote:<br>
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            <div
style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:10pt;color:black;">Gary,
              the McLeod in "Blue" (Tom's med blue car) is still going
              strong after 25 years, so I'm not sure why he bailed. I
              think it is mostly because he's had no complaints about
              the Tilton and likes doing the conversion using their 7/8"
              master. </div>
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style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:10pt;color:black;"><br>
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              -----Original Message-----<br>
              From: Gary <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" 
href="mailto:garywinblad@comcast.net";>&lt;garywinblad@comcast.net&gt;</a><br>
              To: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" 
href="mailto:tigers@autox.team.net";>tigers@autox.team.net</a><br>
              Sent: Fri, May 28, 2021 6:50 pm<br>
              Subject: Re: [Tigers] Clutch issue<br>
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              <div> Thanks Mike,<br clear="none">
                Ok, yeah he was recommending the McCleod with his mod to
                the fittings...<br clear="none">
                Paul Reisentz also told me that McCLeod themselves did
                not recommend their part for use in Tigers!<br
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                <br clear="none">
                Tilton..  or are there any more details on your
                Australian job?<br clear="none">
                Gary<br clear="none">
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                  <div class="yiv8877381035moz-cite-prefix">On 5/28/2021
                    5:22 PM, Michael Wood via Tigers wrote:<br
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                    <div style="font-family:arial, helvetica,
                      sans-serif;font-size:10pt;color:black;">I just
                      talked to Tom. He's still using and recommending
                      use of a hydraulic/annular TO bearing. But, he
                      won't use the McLeod piece, only Tilton, these
                      days. </div>
                    <div style="font-family:arial, helvetica,
                      sans-serif;font-size:10pt;color:black;"><br
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                    <div style="font-family:arial, helvetica,
                      sans-serif;font-size:10pt;color:black;">Mike<br
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                          <p class="yiv8877381035MsoNormal"><span
                              style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:'Arial',
                              'sans-serif';">Well, I did some measuring
                              today (by the way the new clutch and
                              cylinder kits didnâ??t solve my problem) and
                              thought I would pass on info for anybody
                              that is interested.</span></p>
                          <p class="yiv8877381035MsoNormal"><span
                              style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:'Arial',
                              'sans-serif';">The actual amount of
                              movement of the slave cylinder with a full
                              to the floor movement of the clutch peddle
                              is .745â??.  The measure of the piston
                              movement from the very back to when the
                              piston comes to the very front of the
                              cylinder (not protruding) is like I
                              mentioned before is 1.35â??, so that leaves
                              approximately .605â?? more potential
                              movement to apply to the clutch arm.  Iâ??m
                              hoping the .700 Girling master cylinder I
                              just ordered will take up just that
                              amount. I can only hope.  HA!  If not Iâ??ll
                              pull the engine and tranny again and get a
                              CF clutch.  As for a annular TO bearing,
                              my friend has a highly modified Mazda with
                              a 331 Ford engine for road racing with a
                              annular TO bearing and it works very well
                              with the stock master cylinder. I would be
                              very interested in why TH doesnâ??t like
                              them anymore.</span></p>
                          <p class="yiv8877381035MsoNormal"><span
                              style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:'Arial',
                              'sans-serif';">Jerry  </span></p>
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