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after considering all the options and work involved and cost...=20
I'm just gonna scrap what I got and I've order a 10 pacl
of the stick light linking ones and install those... 6 will do what I need =
so=20
I'll have 4 spares and will probably get more light
than the flor tubes (especially since 4 bulbs are burned out now) :-) =20
=20
thanks for all the input
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john
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----- Original Message -----
From: Eric Russell <ejrussell61@gmail.com>
To: john niolon <jniolon@att.net>
Cc: shop-talk <shop-talk@autox.team.net>
Sent: 10/19/2026 12:24:08 PM
Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] flourescent to led changeover
I have changed all the 4'=20
fluorescents in our garage to the eLcheapo (tm) LED linkable sticks. After =
5+=20
years=20
I've had one fail out of 12. I bought a few extras when they went on sale. =
Also (if it matters) no problems with them working in cold weather. (OK, co=
ld in North Carolina may not be cold elsewhere but the fluorescents I had w=
ould often not work when it was cold.)=20
EjR=20
On Mon, Oct 19, 2026 at 1:17=E2=80=AFPM john niolon <jniolon@att.net> wrote=
:
Hi all
=20
My 30 year old 8'=20
t-12 (single pin) garage fixtures are slowly dying...(4 total double tube)
the old t-12s are hard to find and expensive (16-20 bucks a tube)
=20
Want to change to led... lots of options -=20
8' led tubes are expensive too ...=20
=20
I was gifted a box of 20 4' bi-pin=20
bulbs that work with a ballast...(heat sink)
=20
option 1=20
if I use these=20
I'd have to change all the tombstones to bi-pin and figure out the
shunted vs non shunted type... AND find the 8'=20
to 4' fixture conversion kits (adding the middle tombstones
=20
option 2
8'=20
type a led single pin tubes (about the same price as=20
8' fluorescent) and use a ballast
not great reviews when shipped...
=20
option 3
=20
replace all the crap with the internet specials linkable stick lights and =
hope they work
=20
comments on options ????
=20
questions... when using the ballast type plug and plays... aren't=20
I using more electricity using the ballast=20
and heating it up... is there any savings here ???
=20
=20
please educate the old dummy on best (least expensive) options
=20
=20
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ks. After 5+ years I've had one fail out of 12. I bought a few extras when =
they went on sale. Also (if it matters) no problems with them working in co=
ld weather. (OK, cold in North Carolina may not be cold elsewhere but the f=
luorescents I had would often not work when it was cold.) </DIV>
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ohn niolon <<A href=3D"mailto:jniolon@att.net";>jniolon@att.net</A>> w=
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<DIV><FONT face=3D"Segoe UI">Hi all</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Segoe UI"></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Segoe UI">My 30 year old 8' t-12 (single pin) garag=
e fixtures are slowly dying...(4 total double tube)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Segoe UI">the old t-12s are hard to find and expensive (=
16-20 bucks a tube)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Segoe UI"></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Segoe UI">Want to change to led... lots of options =
- 8' led tubes are expensive too ... </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Segoe UI"></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Segoe UI">I was gifted a box of 20 4' bi-pin bulbs that =
work with a ballast...(heat sink)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Segoe UI"></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Segoe UI">option 1 </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Segoe UI">if I use these I'd have to change all the tomb=
stones to bi-pin and figure out the</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Segoe UI">shunted vs non shunted type... AND find =
the 8' to 4' fixture conversion kits (adding the middle tombstones</FONT></=
DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Segoe UI"></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Segoe UI">option 2</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Segoe UI">8' type a led single pin tubes (about the same=
price as 8' fluorescent) and use a ballast</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Segoe UI">not great reviews when shipped...</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Segoe UI"></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Segoe UI">option 3</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Segoe UI"></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Segoe UI">replace all the crap with the internet special=
s linkable stick lights and hope they work</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Segoe UI"></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Segoe UI">comments on options ????</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Segoe UI"></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Segoe UI">questions... when using the ballast type plug =
and plays... aren't I using more electricity using the ballast </FONT></DIV=
>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Segoe UI">and heating it up... is there any savings here=
???</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Segoe UI"></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Segoe UI"></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Segoe UI">please educate the old dummy on best (least ex=
pensive) options</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Segoe UI"></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Segoe UI"></FONT> </DIV>
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