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Re: [Shop-talk] scanner help

To: john <jniolon@att.net>
Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] scanner help
From: Ronnie Day <ronnie.day@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2023 14:13:19 -0500
Cc: shop-talk@autox.team.net
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Delivered-to: shop-talk@autox.team.net
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John, there are forums on Ed Hamrick's site and he has responded to me
directly within a couple of days the few times I've had questions.
Seriously, I'd D/L VueScan and see if it'll work. It's free to try.

That said, I'd see if there's not a "factory reset" magic key combo to get
the scanner bacc to zero. I gave an older H-P flatbed to one of my
grandsons some time go, still have the cheap Canon LIDE-20 (I think) I
bought 30 years ago at Fry's and a Brother MFC--J875dw that I used to print
on DVDs/CDs (remember those!). The Brother is USB/Ethernet/WiFi and works
beautifully plugged into the LAN here in my office. Same thing with the
Canon, except it's USB. IIRC, I paid around $120 for the Brother at Best
Buy. I'd buy another one but Brother quit offering CD/DVD printers a number
of years ago, and I can't remember the last time I needed to print on disk
anyway!

On Mon, Apr 24, 2023 at 1:21=E2=80=AFPM john <jniolon@att.net> wrote:

> Ronnie, thanks for replying.  First... it's only scanner problems  all
> other printer function are fine.  This is a Windows 10 desktop.  And I ha=
ve
> tried both wi-fi and usb connected with same (no) results.. I've tried
> different cables and different usb ports and different IP addresses.   I
> worked with main frame computers and networks for 25 years (back when the=
y
> were coal fired [image: Slightly Smiling Face]) and I know how to
> eliminate problems one at a time till you find a solution but this one ha=
s
> me baffled.  For one thing the scanning software doesn't give you any err=
or
> codes or description of problem, other than the cryptic "can not
> communicate with the scanner" message...
>
> I'm thinking maybe a virus or some malware flipped a switch somewhere
> inside the command stuff that I'm not smart enough to find... I've looked
> thru installation logs and event viewer and with my limited knowledge I
> don't see a problem.. that being said, the problem could be a big barn
> painted red and I'm not smart enough to know what to see.  Don't have
> another pc to attach to and even then if it worked there it wouldn't show
> me the problem on my box.   very frustrating
>
> you guys are throwing out all the proper tasks to find this but I've
> already tried every suggestion before coming here...
>
> does anyone have knowledge of internal command files and stuff that could
> be reloaded or fixed ??  most system files are hard to play with I know..=
.
> but SOME thing ain't working as it should, right
>
>
> john
>
>
> *----- Original Message -----*
> *From:* Ronnie Day <ronnie.day@gmail.com>
> *To:* Richard George <rkg@teleport.com>
> *Cc:* <shop-talk@autox.team.net>
> *Sent:* 4/24/2023 12:33:36 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [Shop-talk] scanner help
> ------------------------------
> Asking for clarification - Are you having trouble printing or scanning? I
> thought the problem was scanning. If it's not printing, try connecting th=
e
> printer directly to the computer. Also PC or Mac? There are different
> protocols for each platform.
>
> On Mon, Apr 24, 2023 at 11:47=E2=80=AFAM Richard George <rkg@teleport.com=
> wrote:
>
>> I think I deleted the source of this so my apologies if this is
>> redundant, but...  Did you try plugging the scanner into a different
>> computer?  I know, you shouldn't -need- to do that, but I had a scanner
>> gunny-sack between infrequent uses once, and it took a while to figure i=
t
>> the problem wasn't just microsoft-software-update-induced.
>>
>> Good luck,
>>
>> rkg
>>
>> (Richard George)
>> On 4/24/2023 5:37 AM, Jeff Scarbrough wrote:
>>
>> Assuming Windows, have you tried removing it from your printers list and
>> letting the system reinstall it?
>>
>> On Mon, Apr 24, 2023, 08:14 Tom Coradeschi <tjcora@icloud.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Is it USB connected? Maybe (assuming you haven=E2=80=99t already done s=
o) try a
>>> different cable? Grasping at straws=E2=80=A6
>>>
>>> Tom Coradeschi
>>> tjcora@icloud.com
>>>
>>> On Apr 23, 2023, at 10:22 PM, john <jniolon@att.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> =EF=BB=BF
>>> VueScan for my first choice... same as all the others
>>>
>>> j
>>>
>>>
>>> *----- Original Message -----*
>>> *From:* Ronnie Day <ronnie.day@gmail.com>
>>> *To:* Mike Sinclair <phoenix722@comcast.net>
>>> *Cc:* <shop-talk@autox.team.net>
>>> *Sent:* 4/23/2023 7:09:35 PM
>>> *Subject:* Re: [Shop-talk] scanner help
>>> ------------------------------
>>> Plus 1 for VueScan. Ed is an incredible guy and the software simply
>>> works! You can D/L it and see if/how it works. You'll get watermarks un=
til
>>> you pay for it but you'll know it works before you do. It was
>>> recommended by a friend on the editing list I've been on since the mid
>>> '90s. I used it for maybe 15 minutes and bought the lifetime licence. A=
t
>>> some point Ed made it cross-platform and my lifetime licence was
>>> grandfathered so I can scan using my Brother MFC from any of my Macs or
>>> PCs. Inarguably the best $100 I ever spent on software!
>>>
>>> RD
>>>
>>> On Sun, Apr 23, 2023 at 5:06=E2=80=AFPM Mike Sinclair <phoenix722@comca=
st.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Make sure your wireless is not set to public.  Don't ask me how I know=
.
>>>>
>>>> Mike
>>>> On 4/23/23 1:32 PM, john wrote:
>>>>
>>>> trying to copy some documentation on my tools and my scanner refuses t=
o
>>>> cooperate.  It used to work.  It's a HP m1217 nfw multifunction printe=
r.
>>>> I've reloaded all the proper up to date drivers
>>>> run diagnostics on hardware and all is fine.. reset to factory
>>>> settings... tried several different scanner software packages includin=
g HPs
>>>> version and everyone says it "Can Not Communicate with the scanner."
>>>>
>>>> Tried an online tech support outfit that said it was a virus preventin=
g
>>>> it from working and for 250 bucks they would fix it... well, thanks bu=
t no
>>>> thanks.  Ran several malware and virus programs and found one
>>>> PUP file and removed it .  After that redid all above and same
>>>> result... Hope someone can tech me up on this and get this piece of pr=
inter
>>>> working again...and all other printer functions work fine
>>>>
>>>> thanks
>>>>
>>>> john
>>>>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">John, there are forums on Ed Hamrick&#39;s site and he has=
 responded to me directly within a couple of days the few times I&#39;ve ha=
d questions. Seriously, I&#39;d D/L VueScan and see if it&#39;ll work. It&#=
39;s free to try.<div><br></div><div>That said, I&#39;d see if there&#39;s =
not a &quot;factory reset&quot; magic key combo to get the scanner bacc to =
zero. I gave an older H-P flatbed to one of my grandsons=C2=A0some time go,=
 still have the cheap Canon LIDE-20 (I think) I bought 30 years ago at Fry&=
#39;s and a Brother MFC--J875dw that I used to print on DVDs/CDs (remember =
those!). The Brother is USB/Ethernet/WiFi and works beautifully=C2=A0plugge=
d into the LAN here in my office. Same thing with the Canon, except it&#39;=
s USB. IIRC, I paid around $120 for the Brother at Best Buy. I&#39;d buy an=
other=C2=A0one but Brother quit offering CD/DVD printers a number of years =
ago, and I can&#39;t=C2=A0remember the last time I needed to print on disk =
anyway!</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D=
"gmail_attr">On Mon, Apr 24, 2023 at 1:21=E2=80=AFPM john &lt;<a href=3D"ma=
ilto:jniolon@att.net">jniolon@att.net</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote c=
lass=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px soli=
d rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">

<div>
<div><font face=3D"Segoe UI">Ronnie, thanks for replying.=C2=A0 First... it=
&#39;s only scanner problems=C2=A0 all other printer function are fine.=C2=
=A0 This is a Windows 10 desktop.=C2=A0 And I have tried both wi-fi and usb=
 connected with same (no) results.. I&#39;ve tried different cables and dif=
ferent usb ports and different IP addresses.=C2=A0=C2=A0 I worked with main=
 frame computers and networks for 25 years (back when they were coal fired =
<img style=3D"border-width: 0px; border-style: initial; border-color: initi=
al; height: 24px; width: 24px;" alt=3D"Slightly Smiling Face" src=3D"cid:18=
7b4a1077fd9a716611" align=3D"absMiddle">) and I know how to eliminate probl=
ems one at a time till you find a solution but this one has me baffled.=C2=
=A0 For one thing the scanning software doesn&#39;t give you any error code=
s or description of problem, other than the cryptic &quot;can not communica=
te with the scanner&quot; message...=C2=A0=C2=A0 </font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Segoe UI"></font>=C2=A0</div>
<div><font face=3D"Segoe UI">I&#39;m thinking maybe a virus or some malware=
 flipped a switch somewhere inside the command stuff that I&#39;m not smart=
 enough to find... I&#39;ve looked thru installation logs and event viewer =
and with my limited knowledge I don&#39;t see a problem.. that being said, =
the problem could be a big barn painted red and I&#39;m not smart enough to=
 know what to see.=C2=A0 Don&#39;t have another pc to attach to and even th=
en if it worked there it wouldn&#39;t show me the problem on my box.=C2=A0=
=C2=A0 very frustrating</font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Segoe UI"></font>=C2=A0</div>
<div><font face=3D"Segoe UI">you guys are throwing out all the proper tasks=
 to find this but I&#39;ve already tried every suggestion before coming her=
e...</font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Segoe UI"></font>=C2=A0</div>
<div><font face=3D"Segoe UI">does anyone have knowledge of internal command=
 files and stuff that could be reloaded or fixed ??=C2=A0 most system files=
 are hard to play with I know... but SOME thing ain&#39;t working as it sho=
uld, right </font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Segoe UI"></font>=C2=A0</div>
<div><font face=3D"Segoe UI"></font>=C2=A0</div>
<div><font face=3D"Segoe UI">john</font></div>
<div>=C2=A0</div>
<blockquote style=3D"padding:0px 0px 0px 0.5em;border-left:1px solid rgb(19=
9,229,255);margin:0px 0px 0px 0.5em">
<div style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:&quot;Segoe UI&quot;;color:rgb(0,0=
,0)"><b>----- Original Message -----</b></div>
<div style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:&quot;Segoe UI&quot;;color:rgb(0,0=
,0)"><b>From:</b> Ronnie Day &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:ronnie.day@gmail.com"; ta=
rget=3D"_blank">ronnie.day@gmail.com</a>&gt;</div>
<div style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:&quot;Segoe UI&quot;;color:rgb(0,0=
,0)"><b>To:</b> Richard George &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:rkg@teleport.com"; targ=
et=3D"_blank">rkg@teleport.com</a>&gt;</div>
<div style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:&quot;Segoe UI&quot;;color:rgb(0,0=
,0)"><b>Cc:</b> &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:shop-talk@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_=
blank">shop-talk@autox.team.net</a>&gt;</div>
<div style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:&quot;Segoe UI&quot;;color:rgb(0,0=
,0)"><b>Sent:</b> 4/24/2023 12:33:36 PM</div>
<div style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:&quot;Segoe UI&quot;;color:rgb(0,0=
,0)"><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Shop-talk] scanner help</div>
<hr style=3D"border-width:medium;border-style:none;border-color:initial;hei=
ght:1px;color:rgb(204,204,204);background-color:rgb(204,204,204)">

<div dir=3D"ltr">Asking for clarification=C2=A0- Are you having trouble pri=
nting or scanning? I thought the problem was scanning. If it&#39;s not prin=
ting, try connecting the printer directly to the computer. Also PC or Mac? =
There are different protocols=C2=A0for each platform.</div><br>
<div class=3D"gmail_quote">
<div class=3D"gmail_attr" dir=3D"ltr">On Mon, Apr 24, 2023 at 11:47=E2=80=
=AFAM Richard George &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:rkg@teleport.com"; target=3D"_bla=
nk">rkg@teleport.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"padding-left:1ex;border-left:1px=
 solid rgb(204,204,204);margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex">
<div>
<p>I think I deleted the source of this so my apologies if this is redundan=
t, but...=C2=A0 Did you try plugging the scanner into a different computer?=
=C2=A0 I know, you shouldn&#39;t -need- to do that, but I had a scanner gun=
ny-sack between infrequent uses once, and it took a while to figure it the =
problem wasn&#39;t just microsoft-software-update-induced.</p>
<p>Good luck,</p>
<p>rkg</p>
<p>(Richard George)<br></p>
<div>On 4/24/2023 5:37 AM, Jeff Scarbrough wrote:<br></div>
<blockquote type=3D"cite">
<div>Assuming Windows, have you tried removing it from your printers list a=
nd letting the system reinstall it?</div><br>
<div class=3D"gmail_quote">
<div class=3D"gmail_attr" dir=3D"ltr">On Mon, Apr 24, 2023, 08:14 Tom Corad=
eschi &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:tjcora@icloud.com"; target=3D"_blank">tjcora@icl=
oud.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"padding-left:1ex;border-left:1px=
 solid rgb(204,204,204);margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex">
<div>Is it USB connected? Maybe (assuming you haven=E2=80=99t already done =
so) try a different cable? Grasping at straws=E2=80=A6<br><br>
<div dir=3D"ltr">Tom Coradeschi=20
<div><a href=3D"mailto:tjcora@icloud.com"; rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_bla=
nk">tjcora@icloud.com</a></div></div>
<div dir=3D"ltr"><br>
<blockquote type=3D"cite">On Apr 23, 2023, at 10:22 PM, john &lt;<a href=3D=
"mailto:jniolon@att.net"; rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">jniolon@att.n=
et</a>&gt; wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div>
<blockquote type=3D"cite">
<div dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=BF=20
<div><font face=3D"Segoe UI">VueScan for my first choice... same as all the=
 others</font></div>
<div>=C2=A0</div>
<div><font face=3D"Segoe UI">j</font></div>
<div>=C2=A0</div>
<blockquote style=3D"padding:0px 0px 0px 0.5em;border-left:1px solid rgb(19=
9,229,255);margin:0px 0px 0px 0.5em">
<div><b>----- Original Message -----</b></div>
<div><b>From:</b> Ronnie Day &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:ronnie.day@gmail.com"; re=
l=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">ronnie.day@gmail.com</a>&gt;</div>
<div><b>To:</b> Mike Sinclair &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:phoenix722@comcast.net"=
 rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">phoenix722@comcast.net</a>&gt;</div>
<div><b>Cc:</b> &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:shop-talk@autox.team.net"; rel=3D"nore=
ferrer" target=3D"_blank">shop-talk@autox.team.net</a>&gt;</div>
<div><b>Sent:</b> 4/23/2023 7:09:35 PM</div>
<div><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Shop-talk] scanner help</div>
<hr style=3D"border-width:medium;border-style:none;border-color:initial;hei=
ght:1px;color:rgb(204,204,204);background-color:rgb(204,204,204)">

<div dir=3D"ltr">Plus 1 for VueScan. Ed is an incredible guy and the softwa=
re simply works! You can D/L it and see if/how it works. You&#39;ll get wat=
ermarks until you pay for it but you&#39;ll know it works before you do. It=
 was recommended=C2=A0by a friend on the editing=C2=A0list I&#39;ve been on=
 since the mid &#39;90s.=C2=A0I used it for maybe 15 minutes and bought the=
 lifetime licence.=C2=A0At some point=C2=A0Ed made it cross-platform and my=
 lifetime licence was grandfathered so I can scan using my Brother MFC from=
 any of my Macs or PCs. Inarguably=C2=A0the best $100 I ever spent on softw=
are!=20
<div><br></div>
<div>RD</div></div><br>
<div class=3D"gmail_quote">
<div class=3D"gmail_attr" dir=3D"ltr">On Sun, Apr 23, 2023 at 5:06=E2=80=AF=
PM Mike Sinclair &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:phoenix722@comcast.net"; rel=3D"noref=
errer" target=3D"_blank">phoenix722@comcast.net</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"padding-left:1ex;border-left:1px=
 solid rgb(204,204,204);margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex">
<div bgcolor=3D"#ffffff">
<p><font size=3D"2"><font face=3D"Tahoma">Make sure your wireless is not se=
t to public.=C2=A0 Don&#39;t ask me how I know.</font></font></p>
<p><font size=3D"2"><font face=3D"Tahoma">Mike</font></font><br></p>
<div>On 4/23/23 1:32 PM, john wrote:<br></div>
<blockquote type=3D"cite">
<div><font face=3D"Segoe UI">trying to copy some documentation on my tools =
and my scanner refuses to cooperate.=C2=A0 It used to work.=C2=A0 It&#39;s =
a HP m1217 nfw multifunction printer.=C2=A0 I&#39;ve reloaded all the prope=
r up to date drivers</font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Segoe UI">run diagnostics on hardware and all is fine.. =
reset to factory settings... tried several different scanner software packa=
ges including HPs version and everyone says it &quot;Can Not=C2=A0Communica=
te with the scanner.&quot;</font></div>
<div>=C2=A0</div>
<div><font face=3D"Segoe UI">Tried an online tech support outfit that said =
it was a virus preventing it from working and for 250 bucks they would fix =
it... well, thanks but no thanks.=C2=A0 Ran several malware and virus progr=
ams and found one</font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Segoe UI">PUP file and removed it .=C2=A0 After that red=
id all above and same result... Hope someone can tech me up on this and get=
 this piece of printer working again...and all other printer functions work=
 fine</font></div>
<div>=C2=A0</div>
<div><font face=3D"Segoe UI">thanks</font></div>
<div>=C2=A0</div>
<div><font face=3D"Segoe UI">john</font></div><br>
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