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I've always maintained that to drive Mosport well you have to grow a =20
third testicle. I don't know what the ladies do. An extra testicle =20
would come in handy at Watkins Glen as well, it's not easy and there's =20=
some places that you REALLY don't want to screw up.
On Aug 28, 2008, at 2:10 PM, Russ Moore wrote:
> Mosport is a great track and always a good time. My first laps on it =20=
> years back were with what would be group 6 cars if they were in an =20=
> SVRA event. Talk about feeling like a bug on the windshield. What a =20=
> track to develop a rhythm on. =46rom turn 1 through 5b you=92re on =
your =20
> toes, short nap down the back then the rapid sequence of 8, 9 and =20
> 10. I love it, but certainly more enjoyable with all four tires on =20
> the deck. Hard to steer while on the rollbar!
>
> Just to clarify on the Sprite incident , I have since been assured =20
> by Jack Woehrle if I had reported the punt at the Glen to him or =20
> Carl directly it would have been investigated even though the other =20=
> party had booked out quickly before I could find him. Hopefully none =20=
> of us will have that situation again.
>
> Russ
>
> From: Bill Babcock [mailto:Billb@bnj.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2008 3:15 PM
> To: Russ Moore
> Cc: Friends of Triumph
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Watkins Glen The Legends Speak The FOT
>
> I'm very familiar with turn 8 at Mosport, a fine place for an =20
> accident. I never went through that turn the same way twice. If it =20
> has an apex I never found it. I'm glad you didn't hang up your =20
> gloves, see you at the Glen.
>
> On Aug 27, 2008, at 12:07 PM, Russ Moore wrote:
>
>
> Bill,
> I had an incident similar to yours two years ago in my Spitfire at =20
> turn 8 at Mosport. I had passed a driver in a borrowed Sprite and =20
> she tried a Bonsai pass inside me on 8 which is a very high speed =20
> sweeping right hander. She lost it and hit her brakes. Her left =20
> front corner hit my right rear and I was instantly on my rollbar. I =20=
> am just now getting all back together and will be at Watkins. I have =20=
> seen over the past 19 years how some folks suffer from the red mist =20=
> syndrome and cause incidents they seemingly can get away with. This =20=
> latest one almost caused me to hang up my gloves. 5 years ago at the =20=
> Glen I had an orange Sprite punt me in turn 7. At the time I thought =20=
> I had hit oil but the dent and orange paint revealed otherwise. SVRA =20=
> let it go because =93they didn=92t witness it=94.
> In reading your accounting of the event it was like d=E9j=E0-vu. The =20=
> other driver the day after blamed me for the incident and I could =20
> never get VARAC to take any action. Yep, her left front corner and =20
> my right rear, =85=85=85=85=85=85=85 I had to replace the entire front =
end, the =20
> whole rollbar structure and build a new engine all because she =20
> didn=92t like being passed. Jeez.
>
> In any case, here=92s to a safe and enjoyable weekend at The Glen this =
=20
> year.
> Best regards
>
> Russ Moore
> Spitfire #49
>
> From: fot-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] =20=
> On Behalf Of Bill Babcock
> Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2008 2:22 PM
> To: BillDentin@aol.com
> Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net; fot@autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Watkins Glen The Legends Speak The FOT
>
> It was 150 cars last year, and everyone that wanted to go, got to =20
> go. This year as one of the featured elements we might get some =20
> special treatment. I doubt they'll have us leading off the thing, =20
> but they might at least stick us all together.
>
> It was really fun, I wouldn't miss it. And Diane will need a ride =20
> for anyone that has an open seat (they wouldn't let her sit on =20
> Peyote's fuel cell, I can't imagine why). She is in NYC this week, =20
> visiting a friend, but she packed her leather helmet and goggles. =20
> Pictures, here, but a warning too, there are pictures of an injured =20=
> LBC (more injured than I thought at the time. Tony Garmey is STILL =20
> working on Peyote to get it ready for Watkins Glen. I'm glad I took =20=
> it to Tony, it wouldn't have been ready, and for many, MANY reasons =20=
> I don't want to miss this race). If you have a weak stomach you =20
> probably want to have some Mylanta handy. Also I made a disparaging =20=
> remark about the SVRA's handling of the accident that I apologized =20
> for later. I left the remark in place because the apology wouldn't =20
> make sense without it. http://www.allaluminumtour.com/?p=3D263
>
> Bill
>
Bill Babcock
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<html><body style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; =
-webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">I've always maintained that to =
drive Mosport well you have to grow a third testicle. I don't know =
what the ladies do. An extra testicle would come in handy at Watkins =
Glen as well, it's not easy and there's some places that you REALLY =
don't want to screw up. <div><br><div><div>On Aug 28, 2008, at 2:10 =
PM, Russ Moore wrote:</div><br =
class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><span =
class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"border-collapse: separate; color: =
rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 14px; font-style: =
normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: =
normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: auto; text-indent: =
0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: =
0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; =
-webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; =
-webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: =
auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0; "><div lang=3D"EN-US" link=3D"blue" =
vlink=3D"purple" style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: =
space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div =
class=3D"Section1"><div style=3D"margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; =
margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: =
'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif; ">Mosport is a great track and always a good time. =
My first laps on it years back were with what would be group 6 cars if =
they were in an SVRA event. Talk about feeling like a bug on the =
windshield. What a track to develop a rhythm on. =46rom turn 1 through =
5b you=92re on your toes, short nap down the back then the rapid =
sequence of 8, 9 and 10. I love it, but certainly more enjoyable with =
all four tires on the deck. Hard to steer while on the =
rollbar!<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0in; =
margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: =
12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style=3D"font-size: =
11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; =
"><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0in; =
margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: =
12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style=3D"font-size: =
11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">Just to clarify on the Sprite =
incident , I have since been assured by Jack W</span><span =
style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; ">oehrle if I =
had reported the punt at the Glen to him or Carl directly it would have =
been investigated even though the other party had booked out quickly =
before I could find him. Hopefully none of us will have that situation =
again.<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0in; =
margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: =
12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style=3D"font-size: =
10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; =
"><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0in; =
margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: =
12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style=3D"font-size: =
10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; ">Russ</span><span =
style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; =
"><o:p></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0in; margin-right: =
0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; =
font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; =
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; =
"><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div><div style=3D"border-right-style: =
none; border-bottom-style: none; border-left-style: none; border-width: =
initial; border-color: initial; border-top-style: solid; =
border-top-color: rgb(181, 196, 223); border-top-width: 1pt; =
padding-top: 3pt; padding-right: 0in; padding-bottom: 0in; padding-left: =
0in; "><div style=3D"margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: =
0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New =
Roman', serif; "><b><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, =
sans-serif; ">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; =
font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; "><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span>Bill Babcock [<a =
href=3D"mailto:Billb@bnj.com"; style=3D"color: blue; text-decoration: =
underline; ">mailto:Billb@bnj.com</a>]<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span><br><b>Sent:</b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span>Wednesday, August 27, 2008 =
3:15 PM<br><b>To:</b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span>Russ =
Moore<br><b>Cc:</b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span>Friends of =
Triumph<br><b>Subject:</b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [Fot] Watkins Glen The =
Legends Speak The FOT<o:p></o:p></span></div></div></div><div =
style=3D"margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; =
margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New =
Roman', serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0in; =
margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: =
12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">I'm very familiar with =
turn 8 at Mosport, a fine place for an accident. I never went through =
that turn the same way twice. If it has an apex I never found it. I'm =
glad you didn't hang up your gloves, see you at the =
Glen. <o:p></o:p></div><div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0in; =
margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: =
12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; =
"><o:p> </o:p></div><div><div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0in; =
margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: =
12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">On Aug 27, 2008, at 12:07 =
PM, Russ Moore wrote:<o:p></o:p></div></div><div style=3D"margin-top: =
0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; =
"><br><br><o:p></o:p></div><div><div><div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0in; =
margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: =
12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style=3D"font-size: =
11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); =
">Bill,</span><span style=3D"color: black; =
"><o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0in; =
margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: =
12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style=3D"font-size: =
11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">I had =
an incident similar to yours two years ago in my Spitfire at turn 8 at =
Mosport. I had passed a driver in a borrowed Sprite and she tried =
a Bonsai pass inside me on 8 which is a very high speed sweeping right =
hander. She lost it and hit her brakes. Her left front corner hit my =
right rear and I was instantly on my rollbar. I am just now getting all =
back together and will be at Watkins. I have seen over the past 19 years =
how some folks suffer from the red mist syndrome and cause incidents =
they seemingly can get away with. This latest one almost caused me to =
hang up my gloves. 5 years ago at the Glen I had an orange Sprite punt =
me in turn 7. At the time I thought I had hit oil but the dent and =
orange paint revealed otherwise. SVRA let it go because =93they didn=92t =
witness it=94.</span><span style=3D"color: black; =
"><o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0in; =
margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: =
12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style=3D"font-size: =
11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">In =
reading your accounting of the event it was like d=E9j=E0-vu. The other =
driver the day after blamed me for the incident and I could never get =
VARAC to take any action. Yep, her left front corner and my right rear, =
=85=85=85=85=85=85=85 I had to replace the entire front end, the whole =
rollbar structure and build a new engine all because she didn=92t like =
being passed. Jeez.</span><span style=3D"color: black; =
"><o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0in; =
margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: =
12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style=3D"font-size: =
11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); =
"> </span><span style=3D"color: black; =
"><o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0in; =
margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: =
12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style=3D"font-size: =
11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">In =
any case, here=92s to a safe and enjoyable weekend at The Glen this =
year.</span><span style=3D"color: black; =
"><o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0in; =
margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: =
12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style=3D"font-size: =
11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">Best =
regards</span><span style=3D"color: black; =
"><o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0in; =
margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: =
12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style=3D"font-size: =
11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); =
"> </span><span style=3D"color: black; =
"><o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0in; =
margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: =
12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style=3D"font-size: =
11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">Russ =
Moore</span><span style=3D"color: black; =
"><o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0in; =
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12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style=3D"font-size: =
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">Spitfire #49</span><span style=3D"color: black; =
"><o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0in; =
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"> </span><span style=3D"color: black; =
"><o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style=3D"border-right-style: =
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Roman', serif; "><b><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, =
sans-serif; color: black; ">From:</span></b><span =
class=3D"apple-converted-space"><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; =
font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; color: black; =
"> </span></span><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: =
Tahoma, sans-serif; color: black; "><a =
href=3D"mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net"; style=3D"color: blue; =
text-decoration: underline; ">fot-bounces@autox.team.net</a><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span>[<a =
href=3D"mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net"; style=3D"color: blue; =
text-decoration: underline; =
">mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net</a>]<span =
class=3D"apple-converted-space"> </span><b>On Behalf Of<span =
class=3D"apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Bill =
Babcock<br><b>Sent:</b><span =
class=3D"apple-converted-space"> </span>Wednesday, August 27, 2008 =
2:22 PM<br><b>To:</b><span class=3D"apple-converted-space"> </span><a=
href=3D"mailto:BillDentin@aol.com"; style=3D"color: blue; =
text-decoration: underline; ">BillDentin@aol.com</a><br><b>Cc:</b><span =
class=3D"apple-converted-space"> </span><a =
href=3D"mailto:triumphs@autox.team.net"; style=3D"color: blue; =
text-decoration: underline; ">triumphs@autox.team.net</a>;<span =
class=3D"apple-converted-space"> </span><a =
href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net"; style=3D"color: blue; =
text-decoration: underline; =
">fot@autox.team.net</a><br><b>Subject:</b><span =
class=3D"apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [Fot] Watkins Glen The =
Legends Speak The FOT</span><span style=3D"color: black; =
"><o:p></o:p></span></div></div></div></div><div><div style=3D"margin-top:=
0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span =
style=3D"color: black; "> <o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div =
style=3D"margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; =
margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New =
Roman', serif; "><span style=3D"color: black; ">It was 150 cars last =
year, and everyone that wanted to go, got to go. This year as one =
of the featured elements we might get some special treatment. I doubt =
they'll have us leading off the thing, but they might at least stick us =
all together. <o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div><div =
style=3D"margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; =
margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New =
Roman', serif; "><span style=3D"color: black; =
"> <o:p></o:p></span></div></div></div><div><div><div =
style=3D"margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; =
margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New =
Roman', serif; "><span style=3D"color: black; ">It was really fun, I =
wouldn't miss it. And Diane will need a ride for anyone that has an open =
seat (they wouldn't let her sit on Peyote's fuel cell, I can't imagine =
why). She is in NYC this week, visiting a friend, but she packed her =
leather helmet and goggles. Pictures, here, but a warning too, there are =
pictures of an injured LBC (more injured than I thought at the time. =
Tony Garmey is STILL working on Peyote to get it ready for Watkins Glen. =
I'm glad I took it to Tony, it wouldn't have been ready, and for many, =
MANY reasons I don't want to miss this race). If you have a weak stomach =
you probably want to have some Mylanta handy. Also I made a disparaging =
remark about the SVRA's handling of the accident that I apologized for =
later. I left the remark in place because the apology wouldn't make =
sense without it. <a href=3D"http://www.allaluminumtour.com/?p=3D263"=
style=3D"color: blue; text-decoration: underline; =
">http://www.allaluminumtour.com/?p=3D263</a><o:p></o:p></span></div></div=
></div><div><div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; =
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'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style=3D"color: black; =
"> <o:p></o:p></span></div></div></div><div><div><div =
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">Bill<o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div><div style=3D"margin-top: =
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"><o:p> </o:p></span></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div>=
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