Autocross went through this same thing when the original 008 was introduced.
This is a gray area that several aircraft carriers can sail through side by
side. I don't really think there is a solution unless every last tire
manufacturer agrees to use one specific tire as the standard to rate from,
and what are the chances of that.
I like to get about two seasons out of a set of autocross tires and my
experience is that R compound don't live that long, and I don't have the
cash to buy tires all the time. Nor can you drive R tires on the street in
the wet without aging rapidly. Plus I'm lazy, I guess, I simply hate to keep
changing wheels off and on all the time. All of the above dictates a harder
compound tire, as does our club rules for Stock.
And as you said, I think that a Stock car "should" be something approaching
"Stock" to make things as inviting to the newbies, so they don't get
sticker shock and leave permanently after the first event.
Yet I hate to get beat by pesky Hondas, so I want something that will keep
me competitive as possible. I don't have the ability to do testing of
various tires (nobody is stupid enough to give me multiple sets to burn up)
so thats why I'm asking you guys for some suggestions.
Larry
Ahhh. I love bench racing.
>From: "Patrick Washburn" <washburn@dwave.net>
>Reply-To: "Patrick Washburn" <washburn@dwave.net>
>To: "Linnhoff, Eric" <elinnhoff@smmc.saint-lukes.org>
>CC: autox@autox.team.net
>Subject: RE: Tires for Next year
>Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 13:27:04 -0500
>
> > Uhh Pat, go back to CM-land. ;^) We already allow R tires with a 0
> > treadwear rating in Stock, why wouldn't we allow a tire with a 200
>rating?
>
>Can't...it's too freakin' cold for CM. (Slicks on damp 40 degree pavement
>is FUN!) I didn't make my point clear. Nothing to do with current Stock
>rules. I don't want to put the wrong words into Larry's mouth, hopefully
>he will forgive and correct me if I do, but he has made his opinion clear
>on what constitutes "pure stock" and how the tires play into this. No "R"
>compound tire should be allowed and all that. Larry is now shopping for a
>competitive tire (that presumably meets his definition of "stock".) and I
>thought it was amusing that he is looking at the Azensi's.
>
>What I'm questioning is how does the evolvement of fuzzy tires affect
>Larry's very conservative outlook on "Stock"? "Fuzzy tires" meaning I-
>don't-care-what-it-says-on-the-sidewall, it aint no street tire.
>Technically they meet his definition due to an arbitrary number stamped on
>the sidewall, but they clearly do not meet the spirit of his
>interpretation. (For instance they are not available on any car OEM.) I
>just think the future is here and I am wondering how it is going to be
>dealt with by those who have said it will not be a problem.
> >
> > If Ken is a STS competitor then all he needs is a 140 rated tire. And
>yes,
> > we're already working on a contingency plan just in case some
>manufacturers
> > decide to deliver some mis-stamped tires (oops, how'd that happen) to a
> > select few competitor's back door steps. That is, if we can detect said
> > cheater tires and prove them as such.
>
>To a certain degree, STS is in the same boat, although Larry's definition
>of stock is a bit more stringent. I would very much like to see how your
>contingency plan will work. So, your plan should spell out the details of
>the detection process and how SCCA will deal with this, right?? ;^p
>
>Patrick (just trying to make trouble) Washburn
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