[TR] Stainless Steel,

Sun May 14 19:44:52 MDT 2023

TeriAnn,

Not all chrome looks the same.  There is really cheap chrome and very expensive show chrome, all on different metal bases.  

The two look extremely different.

If I had to guess, I ‘d say the ones you bought out of Mexico were cheap chrome marketed and sold as stainless, but are actually chromed mild steel.

Cheap chrome will not last.  I am not sure I understand the discussion between the bumpers from Mexico 14 years ago and the 1.5mm (16 gauge) 304 Stainless ones from Vietnam?

Do you still have the bumpers from Mexico?  Take them to any reputable hot rod show chrome shop and they will give you a free quote to re-chrome them for price comparison, then will either confirm if the chrome job is cheap, or if it is some sort of leading edge 14-year-old stainless steel plating.

If they say it is stainless steel plating, get that in writing, I will buy your drinks at the next Triumphest.

If they say it was cheap chrome job from Mexico, you buy my drinks at the next Triumphest I attend.

Deal?

Glenn aka StagByTriumph Garage

From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of TeriAnn J. Wakeman
Sent: Sunday, May 14, 2023 4:02 PM
To: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [TR] Stainless Steel,

Regardless of what is deemed possible and what is not.

1. I purchased a set of bumpers off of e-bay labeled as stainless steel. The bumper has a slightly different colour cast than a chrome shine. This winter it grew a lot of rust spots. As I remember the company was based in Mexico. The purchase was about 14ish years ago, the rust is from this past winter.

2. I hit it with steel wool and saw bright metal flakes about the thickness I associate with chrome flakes.

3. A google search for stainless steel bumpers yielded A Vietnam company advertising stainless steel bumpers. 1.5mm thick stainless steel, and three layers of paint on the back side to protect it from the weather.

That's all I know. If it is impossible, how do they do it or are they lying about their process and products. I don't care about the reasons they could not make the products they sell. These bumpers looked good for about 10 years longer than new chrome bumpers I previously purchased and as I mentioned the colour cast was different from chrome. I didn't complete the rebuild of my car before I could see rust on the new chrome bumpers I had purchased.

TeriAnn

On 5/14/23 12:40 PM, stagbytriumph at triumphstagclub.org <mailto:stagbytriumph at triumphstagclub.org>  wrote:

Wooo HOOOO, the ChatGPT fact checker!!  

Go right ahead and believe the output of ChatGPT Ai all you want,  but nobody should consider
ChatGPT AI a fact checker (see its disclaimer) by any means.
 If you really want to go there, definitely make sure your doctor uses ChatGPT Ai to write your
prescription and guide the cancer surgeon to cure you on your next doctor visit too. (Read the
ChatGPT disclaimers)

The Science:  
Although stainless steel plating "may be possible", it is "not economically feasible" nor "complete
properties transfer", BECAUSE the technology has not been yet developed to take something like mild
steel or pot metal and plate it in "stainless" BECAUSE the molecular transfer - the electrolysis
does not transfer all the properties (ions) of stainless properties to the surface of the receptor
metal.  Since the electrolysis process does not transfer ALL the stainless-steel molecular
properties content, it is not, and cannot be "stainless steel" plating BECAUSE one, stainless steel
is a grade of steel composition, and two, not all the stainless-steel properties can be transferred
using electrolysis.  

Why believe established engineering science as opposed to another all-knowing Ai deity? 
 ChatGPT is, as it has been proven in most cases, incorrect, why?  In this case, it is because
ChatGPT does not state the grade of stainless-steel plating, and that can be any grade from grade
200 to Hastelloy C276 that BTW, cannot be tested.

Using the term "solid stainless steel".  It is like saying plywood or engineered wood is solid wood
because it contains all wood products or,  that a piece of jewelry is "solid gold" when it may be
24,18,16,12 karat gold content or even "solid gold" flash plating. If you want "solid gold" as the
criteria, I have some to sell you from China.

100% and "solid" are marketing hype found only from hucksters, sales people, fraudsters and flashy
marketing claims meant to deceive.  

Caveat Emptor ya'll.

"My 'shine is 100% corn sour mash", but I add a little rice and barley and herbs to the mash for
that family secret flavor, but it's 100% corn in that mash".  Uh huh, the FDA has been playing that
% game since the day it was formed.

There are literally dozens of grades of stainless steel.  Stainless steel it is not, nor has it ever
been graded by "solid" or 100%.  Stainless steel composition is set by standards written by various
engineers to address specific hardness , wear and corrosion properties, then set to a "GRADE". 

316 stainless steel, or Hastelloy C276,  now that I can understand as being stainless steel.  100%
or Solid are meaningless.

I have spent the better part of 50 years automating control systems for all sorts of processes from
apple pealing and produce processing, semiconductors, nuclear power, Watson Ai, ultra-pure water
production to x-ray imaging and xenon gas detection, and a large part of that job was to know metals
the metals used in those machines or processes, and most times get metal composition certified from
the manufacturers process used in regulated processes like pharmaceuticals, food processing, and
nuclear power instrumentation.

There are reasons you do not want certain metals touching the food you eat or in contact with
nuclear generated steam.  
Run that one through ChatGPT Ai and see what metals leach cancer causing molecules directly into
your medicines or food and accept it as fact if you trust ChatGPT "facts" with your life.

And there are reasons why "stainless steel plating" is also hype, as of today at least.  I am sure
technology will advance someday to plate 308 or 316 or Hastelloy C276 onto pot metal or mild steel
and the process will be certified, but it does not exist as of the date of this email.  

I will gladly accept a show quality triple plate chrome bumper for my Triumph and it will last long
after I am gone, because its corrosion properties have been proven to last more than 50 years.  But
if it is claimed to be solid stainless or 100% stainless, I'll want to know the grade AND polish.

Here we go with another "fluif" worthless discussion.  

Another Caveat from someone who actually worked on IBM Watson speech recognition project:  Be
extremely careful how you compose OpenAi ChatGPT questions including the specific wording and
ordering and grammar in that question, you may not get the answers you expect and will then blindly
rely upon as facts.

That is because OpenAI ChatGPT is not programmed nor capable to answer your question: 

"Do you know what I mean?".  

No computer program algorithm has of yet until you attach the bio-junction connection directly into
your brain, and even then, it will probably get it wrong because some novice app programmer came up
with the algorithm.

Know what I mean?

Glenn aka StagByTriumph Garage

-----Original Message-----
From: Triumphs  <mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Stan Foster
Sent: Saturday, May 13, 2023 8:39 PM
To: TeriAnn J. Wakeman  <mailto:tjwakeman at gmail.com> <tjwakeman at gmail.com>; triumphs at autox.team.net <mailto:triumphs at autox.team.net> 
Subject: Re: [TR] Stainless Steel

ChatGPT confirms:

Yes, it is possible to plate steel with stainless steel. This process is known as electroplating or
galvanization and involves depositing a thin layer of stainless steel onto the surface of the steel
through an electrolytic process.

In this process, the steel is first cleaned and then placed in an electrolytic bath with a solution
containing the ions of the stainless steel. An electric current is then passed through the solution,
causing the ions to be deposited onto the surface of the steel.

The resulting plated steel will have the corrosion-resistant properties of stainless steel, which
can be beneficial for applications where the steel will be exposed to harsh environments or
corrosive substances.

-----Original Message-----
From: Triumphs  <mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of TeriAnn J. Wakeman
Sent: Saturday, May 13, 2023 9:29 PM
To: triumphs at autox.team.net <mailto:triumphs at autox.team.net> 
Subject: Re: [TR] Stainless Steel

On 5/13/23 6:08 PM, stagbytriumph at triumphstagclub.org <mailto:stagbytriumph at triumphstagclub.org>  wrote:

Sorry Alex,

You may want to do some fact checking.  There is no grade for "solid stainless steel".

I do not believe a stainless-steel plating exists for plating over 
mild steel technology exists a of yet.

"Welcome to PTT BUMPERS. We are a specialist manufacturing in stainless steel bumpers for classic
car. Our bumper are made of 100% stainless steel grade 304 , thickness 1.5mm and hand polished. The
gloss of bumper is shiny like mirror polish and the backside of bumper are cover by 3 painted layers
to protect the bumper from the bad weather and chemicals elements."

They plate them somehow.

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