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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple style='word-wrap:break-word'><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal>TeriAnn,<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Not all chrome looks the same. There is really cheap chrome and very expensive show chrome, all on different metal bases. <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>The two look extremely different.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>If I had to guess, I ‘d say the ones you bought out of Mexico were cheap chrome marketed and sold as stainless, but are actually chromed mild steel.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Cheap chrome will not last. I am not sure I understand the discussion between the bumpers from Mexico 14 years ago and the 1.5mm (16 gauge) 304 Stainless ones from Vietnam?<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Do you still have the bumpers from Mexico? Take them to any reputable hot rod show chrome shop and they will give you a free quote to re-chrome them for price comparison, then will either confirm if the chrome job is cheap, or if it is some sort of leading edge 14-year-old stainless steel plating.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>If they say it is stainless steel plating, get that in writing, I will buy your drinks at the next Triumphest.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>If they say it was cheap chrome job from Mexico, you buy my drinks at the next Triumphest I attend.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Deal?<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Glenn aka StagByTriumph Garage<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b>From:</b> Triumphs <triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net> <b>On Behalf Of </b>TeriAnn J. Wakeman<br><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, May 14, 2023 4:02 PM<br><b>To:</b> triumphs@autox.team.net<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [TR] Stainless Steel,<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>Regardless of what is deemed possible and what is not.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>1. I purchased a set of bumpers off of e-bay labeled as stainless steel. The bumper has a slightly different colour cast than a chrome shine. This winter it grew a lot of rust spots. As I remember the company was based in Mexico. The purchase was about 14ish years ago, the rust is from this past winter.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>2. I hit it with steel wool and saw bright metal flakes about the thickness I associate with chrome flakes.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>3. A google search for stainless steel bumpers yielded A Vietnam company advertising stainless steel bumpers. 1.5mm thick stainless steel, and three layers of paint on the back side to protect it from the weather.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>That's all I know. If it is impossible, how do they do it or are they lying about their process and products. I don't care about the reasons they could not make the products they sell. These bumpers looked good for about 10 years longer than new chrome bumpers I previously purchased and as I mentioned the colour cast was different from chrome. I didn't complete the rebuild of my car before I could see rust on the new chrome bumpers I had purchased.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>TeriAnn<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>On 5/14/23 12:40 PM, <a href="mailto:stagbytriumph@triumphstagclub.org">stagbytriumph@triumphstagclub.org</a> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><pre>Wooo HOOOO, the ChatGPT fact checker!! <o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>Go right ahead and believe the output of ChatGPT Ai all you want, but nobody should consider<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>ChatGPT AI a fact checker (see its disclaimer) by any means.<o:p></o:p></pre><pre> If you really want to go there, definitely make sure your doctor uses ChatGPT Ai to write your<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>prescription and guide the cancer surgeon to cure you on your next doctor visit too. (Read the<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>ChatGPT disclaimers)<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>The Science: <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>Although stainless steel plating "may be possible", it is "not economically feasible" nor "complete<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>properties transfer", BECAUSE the technology has not been yet developed to take something like mild<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>steel or pot metal and plate it in "stainless" BECAUSE the molecular transfer - the electrolysis<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>does not transfer all the properties (ions) of stainless properties to the surface of the receptor<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>metal. Since the electrolysis process does not transfer ALL the stainless-steel molecular<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>properties content, it is not, and cannot be "stainless steel" plating BECAUSE one, stainless steel<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>is a grade of steel composition, and two, not all the stainless-steel properties can be transferred<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>using electrolysis. <o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>Why believe established engineering science as opposed to another all-knowing Ai deity? <o:p></o:p></pre><pre> ChatGPT is, as it has been proven in most cases, incorrect, why? In this case, it is because<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>ChatGPT does not state the grade of stainless-steel plating, and that can be any grade from grade<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>200 to Hastelloy C276 that BTW, cannot be tested.<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>Using the term "solid stainless steel". It is like saying plywood or engineered wood is solid wood<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>because it contains all wood products or, that a piece of jewelry is "solid gold" when it may be<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>24,18,16,12 karat gold content or even "solid gold" flash plating. If you want "solid gold" as the<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>criteria, I have some to sell you from China.<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>100% and "solid" are marketing hype found only from hucksters, sales people, fraudsters and flashy<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>marketing claims meant to deceive. <o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>Caveat Emptor ya'll.<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>"My 'shine is 100% corn sour mash", but I add a little rice and barley and herbs to the mash for<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>that family secret flavor, but it's 100% corn in that mash". Uh huh, the FDA has been playing that<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>% game since the day it was formed.<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>There are literally dozens of grades of stainless steel. Stainless steel it is not, nor has it ever<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>been graded by "solid" or 100%. Stainless steel composition is set by standards written by various<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>engineers to address specific hardness , wear and corrosion properties, then set to a "GRADE". <o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>316 stainless steel, or Hastelloy C276, now that I can understand as being stainless steel. 100%<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>or Solid are meaningless.<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>I have spent the better part of 50 years automating control systems for all sorts of processes from<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>apple pealing and produce processing, semiconductors, nuclear power, Watson Ai, ultra-pure water<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>production to x-ray imaging and xenon gas detection, and a large part of that job was to know metals<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>the metals used in those machines or processes, and most times get metal composition certified from<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>the manufacturers process used in regulated processes like pharmaceuticals, food processing, and<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>nuclear power instrumentation.<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>There are reasons you do not want certain metals touching the food you eat or in contact with<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>nuclear generated steam. <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>Run that one through ChatGPT Ai and see what metals leach cancer causing molecules directly into<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>your medicines or food and accept it as fact if you trust ChatGPT "facts" with your life.<o:p></o:p></pre><pre> <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>And there are reasons why "stainless steel plating" is also hype, as of today at least. I am sure<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>technology will advance someday to plate 308 or 316 or Hastelloy C276 onto pot metal or mild steel<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>and the process will be certified, but it does not exist as of the date of this email. <o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>I will gladly accept a show quality triple plate chrome bumper for my Triumph and it will last long<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>after I am gone, because its corrosion properties have been proven to last more than 50 years. But<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>if it is claimed to be solid stainless or 100% stainless, I'll want to know the grade AND polish.<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>Here we go with another "fluif" worthless discussion. <o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>Another Caveat from someone who actually worked on IBM Watson speech recognition project: Be<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>extremely careful how you compose OpenAi ChatGPT questions including the specific wording and<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>ordering and grammar in that question, you may not get the answers you expect and will then blindly<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>rely upon as facts.<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>That is because OpenAI ChatGPT is not programmed nor capable to answer your question: <o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>"Do you know what I mean?". <o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>No computer program algorithm has of yet until you attach the bio-junction connection directly into<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>your brain, and even then, it will probably get it wrong because some novice app programmer came up<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>with the algorithm.<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>Know what I mean?<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>Glenn aka StagByTriumph Garage<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>-----Original Message-----<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>From: Triumphs <a href="mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net"><triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net></a> On Behalf Of Stan Foster<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>Sent: Saturday, May 13, 2023 8:39 PM<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>To: TeriAnn J. Wakeman <a href="mailto:tjwakeman@gmail.com"><tjwakeman@gmail.com></a>; <a href="mailto:triumphs@autox.team.net">triumphs@autox.team.net</a><o:p></o:p></pre><pre>Subject: Re: [TR] Stainless Steel<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>ChatGPT confirms:<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>Yes, it is possible to plate steel with stainless steel. This process is known as electroplating or<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>galvanization and involves depositing a thin layer of stainless steel onto the surface of the steel<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>through an electrolytic process.<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>In this process, the steel is first cleaned and then placed in an electrolytic bath with a solution<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>containing the ions of the stainless steel. An electric current is then passed through the solution,<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>causing the ions to be deposited onto the surface of the steel.<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>The resulting plated steel will have the corrosion-resistant properties of stainless steel, which<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>can be beneficial for applications where the steel will be exposed to harsh environments or<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>corrosive substances.<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>-----Original Message-----<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>From: Triumphs <a href="mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net"><triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net></a> On Behalf Of TeriAnn J. Wakeman<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>Sent: Saturday, May 13, 2023 9:29 PM<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>To: <a href="mailto:triumphs@autox.team.net">triumphs@autox.team.net</a><o:p></o:p></pre><pre>Subject: Re: [TR] Stainless Steel<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>On 5/13/23 6:08 PM, <a href="mailto:stagbytriumph@triumphstagclub.org">stagbytriumph@triumphstagclub.org</a> wrote:<o:p></o:p></pre><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><pre>Sorry Alex,<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>You may want to do some fact checking. There is no grade for "solid stainless steel".<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>I do not believe a stainless-steel plating exists for plating over <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>mild steel technology exists a of yet.<o:p></o:p></pre></blockquote><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>"Welcome to PTT BUMPERS. We are a specialist manufacturing in stainless steel bumpers for classic<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>car. Our bumper are made of 100% stainless steel grade 304 , thickness 1.5mm and hand polished. The<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>gloss of bumper is shiny like mirror polish and the backside of bumper are cover by 3 painted layers<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>to protect the bumper from the bad weather and chemicals elements."<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>They plate them somehow.<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>** <a href="mailto:triumphs@autox.team.net">triumphs@autox.team.net</a> **<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>Donate: <a href="http://www.team.net/donate.html">http://www.team.net/donate.html</a><o:p></o:p></pre><pre>Archive: <a href="http://www.team.net/pipermail/triumphs">http://www.team.net/pipermail/triumphs</a> <a href="http://www.team.net/archive">http://www.team.net/archive</a><o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>Unsubscribe/Manage: <a href="http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/stan@redtr6.com">http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/stan@redtr6.com</a><o:p></o:p></pre><pre>** <a href="mailto:triumphs@autox.team.net">triumphs@autox.team.net</a> **<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>Donate: <a href="http://www.team.net/donate.html">http://www.team.net/donate.html</a><o:p></o:p></pre><pre>Archive: <a href="http://www.team.net/pipermail/triumphs">http://www.team.net/pipermail/triumphs</a> <a href="http://www.team.net/archive">http://www.team.net/archive</a><o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>Unsubscribe/Manage: <a href="http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/stagbytriumph@triumphstagclub.org">http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/stagbytriumph@triumphstagclub.org</a><o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>** <a href="mailto:triumphs@autox.team.net">triumphs@autox.team.net</a> **<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>Donate: <a href="http://www.team.net/donate.html">http://www.team.net/donate.html</a><o:p></o:p></pre><pre>Archive: <a href="http://www.team.net/pipermail/triumphs">http://www.team.net/pipermail/triumphs</a> <a href="http://www.team.net/archive">http://www.team.net/archive</a><o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>Unsubscribe/Manage: <a href="http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/tjwakeman@gmail.com">http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/tjwakeman@gmail.com</a><o:p></o:p></pre></blockquote><p><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>-- <o:p></o:p></p><p align=center style='text-align:center'><a href="http://overlandtravel.us">Book - The Essential Guide to Overland Travel in the United States and Canada</a> <br>2 years to write and 38 years of travel and camping to learn what to write<br><br><b>Because the world beckons and life waits for no one</b><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></body></html>