[TR] Earls Court TR5 (CP20LO) now in USA?

[Dennis and Bridget]

FWIW, when we visited the British Motor Museum quite some time ago (I think in 2004), I paid a visit to the Heritage Certificate folks there.  They were at that time located in a kind of out-of-the-way room in the corner, (perhaps upstairs?).  There were several people working the room; they seemed knowledgeable from the brief conversation I had with them, seemed like nice lads, and I ordered a Certificate on the spot for my 1961 TR3A.  It arrived some weeks later, and was quite accurate as to dispatch dates, numbers, etc.  I was quite pleased with it.  Just my experience - YMMV of course.
Dennis

> On Mar 15, 2021, at 2:45 PM, Paul Tegler <ptegler at verizon.net> wrote:
> 
> ..my previous synopsis was the early/mid 2000s. Might be better now, never know
> 
> ptegler
> 
> On 3/15/2021 4:38 PM, John Macartney wrote:
>> Thank you for that vote of confidence. I was one of the people who used to research owner provided data to issue those certificates and although I never signed the buyer copy, the three of us who did that work, never authorised any certificate if there was even the slightest doubt about authenticity of owner provided data, or the data could not be triangulated. However, I left BMIHT some twenty years ago so have no idea (or interest now) in what may have happened in later years. I still incline to the view that the early TR5 being offered for sale is either a “ringer” or the seller is making a claim that cannot be substantiated.
>> 
>> Jonmac
>> 
>> Vote for Guy Fawkes! The only man who entered Parliament with honest intentions.
>> 
>> On 15 Mar 2021, at 17:44, ptegler at verizon.net <mailto:ptegler at verizon.net> wrote:
>> 
>>> I have little to no faith in Heritgage Certs.... had an aquiantance recieve a cert with invalid info.
>>> As a test he submitted a flat out bogus number an they gave him a cert for it!
>>> rubbish.
>>> Now perhaps they had/have vaild records at one time, or for a particular series of vehicles...but twice now on two different lineages of cars, the info printed on the cert was just crap thrown on paper for the $$
>>> 
>>> ptegler
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: John Macartney <John.Macartney at Ukpips.org.uk <mailto:John.Macartney at Ukpips.org.uk>>
>>> To: Greg Lemon <grglmn at gmail.com <mailto:grglmn at gmail.com>>
>>> Cc: Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net <mailto:triumphs at autox.team.net>>
>>> Sent: Mon, Mar 15, 2021 1:33 pm
>>> Subject: Re: [TR] Earls Court TR5 (CP20LO) now in USA?
>>> 
>>> I’ve just had a look at the Heritage Certificate for the above car. From the info on the certificate, it’s clear it was built for a named customer in Denmark and supplied under Standard Triumphs Personal Export Scheme which I worked within for several years. Cars built for display at any international motor show were identified very clearly on the build record and sales invoice as ‘motor show car’ and this would have been picked up by BMIHT staff when interrogating the microfilmed records. It’s also worth mentioning the company would never have used a customer car for exhibition display at any show such as those which were as prestigious as London, Paris, Frankfurt, Geneva or New York. A show car? Not in my book, though the person whose name appears on the BMIHT document might have been in England FOR the show but his car on the main or Liverpool stands AT the show? No way - unless someone can come up with documentation to prove me wrong. I wouldn’t touch it with that claimed or alleged history but no doubt someone with more money than sense will swallow the bait and pay way over the odds for a TR5 that could well be a clone. Too often in life, things are not always what they seem and in my view this car fits that category.
>>> 
>>> Jonmac 
>>> 

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