<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class="">FWIW, when we visited the British Motor Museum quite some time ago (I think in 2004), I paid a visit to the Heritage Certificate folks there. They were at that time located in a kind of out-of-the-way room in the corner, (perhaps upstairs?). There were several people working the room; they seemed knowledgeable from the brief conversation I had with them, seemed like nice lads, and I ordered a Certificate on the spot for my 1961 TR3A. It arrived some weeks later, and was quite accurate as to dispatch dates, numbers, etc. I was quite pleased with it. Just my experience - YMMV of course.<div class="">Dennis<br class=""><div class=""><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Mar 15, 2021, at 2:45 PM, Paul Tegler <<a href="mailto:ptegler@verizon.net" class="">ptegler@verizon.net</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class="">
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<div class=""><p class="">..my previous synopsis was the early/mid 2000s. Might be better
now, never know</p><p class="">ptegler<br class="">
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 3/15/2021 4:38 PM, John Macartney
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Thank you for that vote of confidence. I was one of the people who
used to research owner provided data to issue those certificates
and although I never signed the buyer copy, the three of us who
did that work, never authorised any certificate if there was even
the slightest doubt about authenticity of owner provided data, or
the data could not be triangulated. However, I left BMIHT some
twenty years ago so have no idea (or interest now) in what may
have happened in later years. I still incline to the view that the
early TR5 being offered for sale is either a “ringer” or the
seller is making a claim that cannot be substantiated.
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<div dir="ltr" class="">Vote for Guy Fawkes! The
only man who entered Parliament with honest intentions.</div>
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On 15 Mar 2021, at 17:44, <a href="mailto:ptegler@verizon.net" moz-do-not-send="true" class="">ptegler@verizon.net</a>
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<div style="font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; font-stretch: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-family: arial;" class="">I have little to
no faith in Heritgage Certs.... had an aquiantance recieve
a cert with invalid info.<br class="">
As a test he submitted a flat out bogus number an they
gave him a cert for it!
<div class="">rubbish.</div>
<div class="">Now perhaps they had/have vaild records at one time,
or for a particular series of vehicles...but twice now
on two different lineages of cars, the info printed on
the cert was just crap thrown on paper for the $$</div>
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From: John Macartney <<a href="mailto:John.Macartney@Ukpips.org.uk" moz-do-not-send="true" class="">John.Macartney@Ukpips.org.uk</a>><br class="">
To: Greg Lemon <<a href="mailto:grglmn@gmail.com" moz-do-not-send="true" class="">grglmn@gmail.com</a>><br class="">
Cc: Triumphs <<a href="mailto:triumphs@autox.team.net" moz-do-not-send="true" class="">triumphs@autox.team.net</a>><br class="">
Sent: Mon, Mar 15, 2021 1:33 pm<br class="">
Subject: Re: [TR] Earls Court TR5 (CP20LO) now in
USA?<br class="">
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<div class="">I’ve just had a look at the Heritage
Certificate for the above car. From the info on
the certificate, it’s clear it was built for a
named customer in Denmark and supplied under
Standard Triumphs Personal Export Scheme which I
worked within for several years. Cars built for
display at any international motor show were
identified very clearly on the build record and
sales invoice as ‘motor show car’ and this would
have been picked up by BMIHT staff when
interrogating the microfilmed records. It’s also
worth mentioning the company would never have
used a customer car for exhibition display at
any show such as those which were as prestigious
as London, Paris, Frankfurt, Geneva or New York.
A show car? Not in my book, though the person
whose name appears on the BMIHT document might
have been in England FOR the show but his car on
the main or Liverpool stands AT the show? No way
- unless someone can come up with documentation
to prove me wrong. I wouldn’t touch it with that
claimed or alleged history but no doubt someone
with more money than sense will swallow the bait
and pay way over the odds for a TR5 that could
well be a clone. Too often in life, things are
not always what they seem and in my view this
car fits that category.
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