[TR] Triumphs Digest, Vol 13, Issue 54

Sat Feb 29 17:34:28 MST 2020

The car won't fetch the amount you paid for them plus they are not original on the car. I have a TR6 with solid wheels and am glad I don't have wire wheels. They look great until one comes off, I know that from personal experience. You really have be on top of them. I love wire wheels but you have to know how to inspect the. Check out mgaguru.com, they have a good rundown on checking splines, etc. Also, the VTR siteis helpfull. I wish I knew this 20 years ago. Good Luck!
Joe Mato62 Wood RoadRedding, CT 06896917 232 1555 

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Today's Topics:

  1. Solid or wires (Brian Induni)
  2. distributor advance (Peter Arakelian)
  3. Wiring (TERRY SMITH)
  4. Re: Wiring (Geo Hahn)
  5. Re: Solid or wires (Bob)
  6. Re: Solid or wires (DAVID MASSEY)
  7. Re: Solid or wires (Mark J Bradakis)
  8. Re: Wiring (wbeech)
  9. Re: distributor advance (Tony Drews)
  10. Yeah Spring! (Greg Lemon)
  11. Re: Solid or wires (Greg Lemon)
  12. Re: Solid or wires (John Macartney)

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Message: 1
Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2020 16:02:52 -0800
From: Brian Induni <binduni at gmail.com>
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Subject: [TR] Solid or wires
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Hello all. Hoping you can help with this. I have a '74 TR6 I'm restoring
and am contemplating the wheels. The car originally came with solid wheels,
but I have also have a set of nearly new (READ: in absolutely excellent
shape) Dayton wires that I could put on it. Yes, I know, the stud are a
different length - been down that road a few times. My question is: is a
TR6 more desirable with wires? I don't plan on keeping it once it's
finished.... just a thing I have about the love of restoration. It's a
Malard blue car with factory OD (and still has OD), so I want to make the
car all it can be. Thoughts on the wheels?

Brian

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CEO, Classic Automotive Innovations
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Date: Sat, 29 Feb 2020 02:09:07 +0000
From: Peter Arakelian <PeterAra at msn.com>
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Tony, if I follow you correctly, you are saying that by changing the springs I may have made it so that all the mechanical advance is used up at idle and I may have no more at speed.  Where with the older springs I would get mechanical advance later in the rpms and so have more advance at speed.
Would the marking on the weight of 13 degrees indicate its maxium advance?  If so, I suspect I may in fact be using all the mechanical at idle since my idle timing jumped past the pully markings and I can only estimate a 10-15 degree jump. Maybe I should go back to the old springs.

>>The springs should just change what RPM it takes to get to full advance
but the full advance should be the same (weights against the stops).?
I'm a little unclear on how much you changed the timing, it sounds like
you had to retard the timing after the spring replacement - this would
also retard the "all in" timing, which would be what you're running at
3200 RPM.? It's possible it's worse at 3200 now than it was before
because the full advance timing is now less.<<
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Date: Sat, 29 Feb 2020 11:16:24 -0500 (EST)
From: TERRY SMITH <terryrs at comcast.net>
To: triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: [TR] Wiring
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Hi everyone.  I see there's a guy from Germany on The Triumph Experience asking about how to route TR3 wiring.  I'd thought to link him for starters to Terianne's web page that had a diagrzm of the bulkhead holes and what they're for.  Alas I don't see it (it was of tremendous he,p to me during my resto some 15 years ago now).  

Anybody have thoughts they can share with him?

Terry Smith  TR3A  TS 58667
New Hampshire
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Date: Sat, 29 Feb 2020 09:22:19 -0700
From: Geo Hahn <ahwahneetr at gmail.com>
To: TERRY SMITH <terryrs at comcast.net>
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Subject: Re: [TR] Wiring
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This?    http://www.tr3a.info/Bulkhead.htm

Geo

On Sat, Feb 29, 2020 at 9:16 AM TERRY SMITH <terryrs at comcast.net> wrote:

> Hi everyone.  I see there's a guy from Germany on The Triumph Experience
> asking about how to route TR3 wiring.  I'd thought to link him for starters
> to Terianne's web page that had a diagrzm of the bulkhead holes and what
> they're for.  Alas I don't see it (it was of tremendous he,p to me during
> my resto some 15 years ago now).
>
> Anybody have thoughts they can share with him?
>
> Terry Smith  TR3A  TS 58667
> New Hampshire
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Date: Sat, 29 Feb 2020 11:29:01 -0500
From: Bob <yellowtr at adelphia.net>
To: Brian Induni <binduni at gmail.com>, triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [TR] Solid or wires
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Brian,

I went with Superlites for my 72 6. Wires on my 63 4 and stock wheels on 
my 3. All look great. I have never seen a 6 with wires. If I had to do 
it all over again, I would go with the Superlites on all 3.

Bob

On 2/28/20 7:02 PM, Brian Induni wrote:
> Hello all. Hoping you can help with this. I have a '74 TR6 I'm 
> restoring and am contemplating the wheels. The car originally came 
> with solid wheels, but I have also?have a set of nearly new (READ: in 
> absolutely excellent shape) Dayton wires that I could put on it. Yes, 
> I know, the stud are a different length - been down that road a few 
> times. My question is: is a TR6 more desirable with wires? I don't 
> plan on keeping it once it's finished.... just a thing I have about 
> the love of restoration. It's a Malard blue car with factory OD (and 
> still has OD), so I want to make the car all it can be. Thoughts on 
> the wheels?
>
> Brian
>
> --
>
> Brian Induni
>
> CEO, Classic Automotive Innovations
> www.ClassicAutoInnovations.com <http://www.classicautoinnovations.com/>
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Date: Sat, 29 Feb 2020 16:42:29 +0000 (UTC)
From: DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey at cs.com>
To: yellowtr at adelphia.net, binduni at gmail.com, triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [TR] Solid or wires
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 I believe the question is "will a TR6 with wire wheels sell for a higher price than one with steel wheels.? I don't know what the market is but opinions vary on the desirability of wires on a TR6.? Personally, I don't care for wire wheels on the TR6.? I think the TR6 look is too modern for the anachronistic look of wire wheels.??? I love the look of wires on the TR3 and TR4, however.
But this is just my opinion.? I'm sure there are others who like the look of wire wheels on the TR6.? That is their opinion and equally valid.? It's all about what you like.

So the answer to the question is what is the market trend?
I don't know.

Dave 

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From: Bob <yellowtr at adelphia.net>
To: Brian Induni <binduni at gmail.com>; triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sat, Feb 29, 2020 10:29 am
Subject: Re: [TR] Solid or wires

 Brian, I went with Superlites for my 72 6. Wires on my 63 4 and stock wheels on my 3. All look great. I have never seen a 6 with wires. If I had to do it all over again, I would go with the Superlites on all 3. 
  Bob
  On 2/28/20 7:02 PM, Brian Induni wrote:

Hello all. Hoping you can help with this. I have a '74 TR6 I'm restoring and am contemplating the wheels. The car originally came with solid wheels, but I have also?have a set of nearly new (READ: in absolutely excellent shape) Dayton wires that I could put on it. Yes, I know, the stud are a different length - been down that road a few times. My question is: is a TR6 more desirable with wires? I don't plan on keeping it once it's finished.... just a thing I have about the love of restoration. It's a Malard blue car with factory OD (and still has OD), so I want to make the car all it can be. Thoughts on the wheels? 
  Brian 
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 www.ClassicAutoInnovations.com? 

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Message: 7
Date: Sat, 29 Feb 2020 09:43:39 -0700
From: Mark J Bradakis <mark at bradakis.com>
To: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [TR] Solid or wires
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On 2/29/20 9:29 AM, Bob wrote:
>
> Brian,
>
> I went with Superlites for my 72 6. Wires on my 63 4 and stock wheels 
> on my 3. All look great. I have never seen a 6 with wires.
>

My very early '69 TR6, CC25064 had wires on it, with Michelin Redlines.? 
Wish I had pictures of it, great car while it lasted.

mjb.

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Date: Sat, 29 Feb 2020 10:48:00 -0600
From: "wbeech" <wbeech at flash.net>
To: "'TERRY SMITH'" <terryrs at comcast.net>, "'triumphs'"
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Also, if he needs it, Frank Fisher sells a real nice large format full colour TR3 wiring diagram.  I have one and it is real handy whether you are doing a fresh install or chasing problems.  Yeah, I?m just a little biased.

Bill

TS 30800L 

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Subject: Re: [TR] Wiring

This?    http://www.tr3a.info/Bulkheadhtm <http://www.tr3a.info/Bulkhead.htm> 

Geo

On Sat, Feb 29, 2020 at 9:16 AM TERRY SMITH <terryrs at comcast.net <mailto:terryrs at comcast.net> > wrote:

Hi everyone.  I see there's a guy from Germany on The Triumph Experience asking about how to route TR3 wiring.  I'd thought to link him for starters to Terianne's web page that had a diagrzm of the bulkhead holes and what they're for.  Alas I don't see it (it was of tremendous he,p to me during my resto some 15 years ago now).  

Anybody have thoughts they can share with him? 

Terry Smith  TR3A  TS 58667 

New Hampshire 

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Message: 9
Date: Sat, 29 Feb 2020 12:16:33 -0600
From: Tony Drews <tony at tonydrews.com>
To: Peter Arakelian <PeterAra at msn.com>
Cc: "triumphs at autox.team.net" <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [TR] distributor advance
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I'm not saying all advance is used at idle, but what I'm saying is that 
when all the mechanical advance is used, you're at a different advance 
setting than before (you had to change the timing after changing the 
springs, so when you do that the full advance amount changes 
correspondingly).? I'm unclear which direction it changed.? Your "at 
3200 RPM" observation would almost always be at full advance regardless 
of which springs you're using.

Stiffer springs should equate to less advance at idle than before I'd think.

Regards, Tony Drews

On 2/28/2020 8:09 PM, Peter Arakelian wrote:
> Tony, if I follow you correctly, you are saying that by changing the 
> springs I may have made it so that all?the mechanical advance is used 
> up at idle and?I?may have no more at speed.? Where with the older 
> springs I would get mechanical advance later in the rpms and so have 
> more advance at speed.
> Would the marking on the weight of 13 degrees indicate its maxium 
> advance?? If so, I suspect I may in fact be using all the mechanical 
> at idle since my idle timing jumped?past the pully markings and I can 
> only estimate a 10-15 degree jump.?Maybe I should go back to the old 
> springs.
> >>The springs should just change what RPM it takes to get to full advance
> but the full advance should be the same (weights against the stops).?
> I'm a little unclear on how much you changed the timing, it sounds like
> you had to retard the timing after the spring replacement - this would
> also retard the "all in" timing, which would be what you're running at
> 3200 RPM.? It's possible it's worse at 3200 now than it was before
> because the full advance timing is now less.<<
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Message: 10
Date: Sat, 29 Feb 2020 12:34:10 -0600
From: Greg Lemon <grglmn at gmail.com>
To: Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: [TR] Yeah Spring!
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I finally had some time to work on the Triumph today after a long time
spent working on the new old house we bought.  I am pretty sure the
occasional miss and rough running is fixed.

The PCV valve is a press fit into the intake manifold.  Over the fifty plus
years of use the press fit isn't so tight, and it has been coming out or
loose, resulting in a fairly major vacuum leak.

I wired it on, thought it looked janky, thought about shims or machining
for an o-ring (probably the best solution tight fit and no leaks), but not
having the equipment for making an o-ring groove, so ended up sticking a
greasy rag in the hole to catch swarf and drilling a hole for a set screw.

Functional, seems to be running much better, but the problem was
intermittent so time will tell.

Mostly just excited to have the new shop done and and time to work on the
car again.

Greg Lemon
TR250
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Date: Sat, 29 Feb 2020 12:36:31 -0600
From: Greg Lemon <grglmn at gmail.com>
To: Mark J Bradakis <mark at bradakis.com>
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Subject: Re: [TR] Solid or wires
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You see the early 6s with wires more often.  I think they look ok, but the
stock wheels or panasports are more appropriate for the 70s vibe the car
has going.

Greg Lemon
TR250

On Sat, Feb 29, 2020, 10:43 AM Mark J Bradakis <mark at bradakis.com> wrote:

> On 2/29/20 9:29 AM, Bob wrote:
> >
> > Brian,
> >
> > I went with Superlites for my 72 6. Wires on my 63 4 and stock wheels
> > on my 3. All look great. I have never seen a 6 with wires.
> >
>
> My very early '69 TR6, CC25064 had wires on it, with Michelin Redlines.
> Wish I had pictures of it, great car while it lasted.
>
> mjb.
>
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Date: Sat, 29 Feb 2020 18:54:55 +0000
From: John Macartney <John.Macartney at Ukpips.org.uk>
To: Mark J Bradakis <mark at bradakis.com>
Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [TR] Solid or wires
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ISTR that when I worked in the Export Dept at Standard Triumph five decades ago, the majority of TRs regardless of model, went to the US and Canada with wire wheels as production fitted extras. Similar for Spitfire and GT6. Can?t now remember the split between painted and chrome. Later, when I was selling them to North American visitors from the London showroom, as salesmen we did our damndest to ensure each car had wire wheels and overdrive too. The wires made the car look better and the overdrive made a straight four on the floor far less enjoyable than a seven speeder. And of course, the xtra sales commission was an important ingredient.

Jonmac

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Lord Uxbridge:  ?By God, Sir - I?ve lost my leg?
Duke of Wellington: ?By God, Sir - so you have!?

> On 29 Feb 2020, at 16:43, Mark J Bradakis <mark at bradakis.com> wrote:
> 
>> On 2/29/20 9:29 AM, Bob wrote:
>> 
>> Brian,
>> 
>> I went with Superlites for my 72 6. Wires on my 63 4 and stock wheels on my 3. All look great. I have never seen a 6 with wires.
>> 
> 
> My very early '69 TR6, CC25064 had wires on it, with Michelin Redlines.  Wish I had pictures of it, great car while it lasted.
> 
> mjb.
> 
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