[TR] Oil Pan Sealer?

Tony Drews tony at tonydrews.com
Tue Feb 4 18:26:50 MST 2020

I second the Permatex Ultra Black - although the reason I use it (versus 
other brands or whatever) is that it's stocked at my local Farm & 
Fleet.  I use the Permatex copper colored for other surfaces (like front 
plate to front of engine) but ultra black for pan and timing cover 
gasket.  The Ultra Black is more durable / harder to remove than the 
ultra copper.  THIN layer on both sides of gasket so it doesn't ooze 
into the engine and gum up the works as Alex describes.

I also beat down any bolt hole dimples (due to previous over 
tightening).  If anything, having the bolt hole slightly concave on the 
sealing surface so it can pull back down to flat is preferable to having 
it stand proud of the surface.  Of course that's better done prior to 
the powder coating.  :)

Regards, Tony Drews

On 2/4/2020 7:18 PM, Alex & Janet Thomson wrote:
> I have had good results with Permatex “Ultra Black” gasket maker. Part 
> # 82180. I seem to remember that years ago, there was only Permatex #1 
> which was hardening and #2 which remained slightly pliable. Now, it 
> seems that there is a gasket goop for white cars travelling north with 
> 6 cyl. engines, a different product for dark color cars travelling 
> east with 4 cyl. engines,  etc., etc. The choices on the rack at the 
> local NAPA store can be overwhelming, just like the varieties of 
> Loctite that you can buy.
> I have found that many gaskets for tractor restoration are no longer 
> available from anyone and that the gasket-in-a-tube is the only 
> alternative. Sometimes, it is one casting being sealed against another 
> casting – in those cases, a very small bead is needed. When there is a 
> pressed steel cover being assembled to a casting, you know that there 
> will be much more of a chance for a warped or bent interface which 
> will require a thicker bead. But we all know that many engine and 
> other drivetrain problems are the result of excess gasket goop 
> becoming entangled into suction screens, bearings, oil galleries and 
> other places. Truthfully, I always get very nervous when I am 
> repairing somebody’s tractor or whatever and I see ribbons of blue RTV 
> sealer inside of a compartment. I’m sure that many leaks are the 
> result of deformed oil pans, valve covers, tappet covers, etc. due to 
> a previous “mechanic” overtightening bolts. “If 20 ft.-lbs. are good, 
> then 40 must be better” Unless you have access to a granite or cast 
> iron surface plate, it can be difficult to determine if an oil pan is 
> warped. Years ago when I was teaching in the shop, I would use the 
> surface of our big table saw (all cast iron) as a makeshift surface 
> plate when checking small parts for flatness.
> Alex Thomson
> *From:*Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] *On Behalf Of 
> *bill beecher
> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 04, 2020 7:32 PM
> *To:* 'Triumphs'
> *Subject:* [TR] Oil Pan Sealer?
> Replacing the TR3 oil pan after a fresh powder coating and wondering 
> about the best sealer.  My first thought is a bead of RTV on each side 
> of the gasket, what is the collective wisdom of the List on this?   
> BTW, both surfaces are in excellent condition.
> Thanks,
> Bill
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