wbeech wbeech at flash.net
Wed Nov 6 16:03:15 MST 2019


My Morgan is one of hundreds with the same 17 digit VIN.  Seems when they
ordered the blank VIN plates there was a sample number inserted that got
replicated.  Had a brief skirmish with the insurance company before getting
a letter from MMC explaining it.  DMV used the 5 digit chassis number
without any questions.




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Subject: Re: [TR] VINs








I have seen many mangled "VIN Numbers" on vintage car titles.


Apparently when DMV's across the country became computerized, there was no
standard on how to input 17 digits in on a title for a car with a 4 or 5
digit serial number.  


The solution for my 1960 Morgan registered in Hawaii was to insert 13 zeros
in front of the 4 digit serial number.


I had a 1964 AH 3000 with a CA title that was AHEALEYBJ then the body tag






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Subject: [TR] VINs


I just went to get a title on a TR which came with a factory overdrive.  The
old title appropriately ended "LO", but I was told that "Os" and "Is" are no
longer acceptable in titles.  So I had to change the VIN (on the title) to
"L0".  Then I had to call the insurance company to explain the same story to
them and have them send me a proof of insurance with "L0".


Anyone else come across this?  Maybe it has been going on for years:  I have
4 cars with overdrive, but this was the first factory one.


Andrew Uprichard

Jackson, MI

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