[Tigers] Correct trunk hinge fasteners

Mon May 16 13:46:06 MDT 2022

Here are the cover pictures of the September 1967 issue and the Nov 1964 issue.

Anyone have these R&T issues in their collection?

Putting a Vin #, Engine # or even a license plate # with these cars would be great.

Ron Fraser

From: jimdamelio <jimdamelio at verizon.net> 
Sent: Monday, May 16, 2022 8:30 AM
To: Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com>
Cc: tigers at Autox.Team.Net
Subject: RE: [Tigers] Correct trunk hinge fasteners

It was the September 67 issue when they tested the MKII and November 64 for the MKI.  They didn't mention the VIN.

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Date: 5/16/22 7:59 AM (GMT-05:00) 

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Subject: RE: [Tigers] Correct trunk hinge fasteners 

Jim

                Excellent, period photos are valuable for original details.

Any chance you know the month and year of that R&T issue or maybe the Vin # of that Mk II?

Ron Fraser

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Subject: Re: [Tigers] Correct trunk hinge fasteners

I have an 8 X 10 B&W photo of a MKII engine compartment and trunk taken by Road & Track when they tested the car.  You used to be able to buy copies of the pictures from them for a few bucks.  I requested copies of the MKI, but they couldn't find them.

Jim D

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Date: 5/15/22 7:36 PM (GMT-05:00) 

To: James Lindner <jliny5 at cox.net <mailto:jliny5 at cox.net> > 

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Subject: Re: [Tigers] Correct trunk hinge fasteners 

Jim’s work to document Tigers and Alpines is extraordinary.

A library of supplemental photographs from original cars could only help however, deepening the substances of  his primary resource.

A while ago at a show I met a couple with an unmolested, original Mk II Tiger.

They offered its use for just such purposes as we’ve discussed here.

Unfortunately I lost their card.

Other opportunities exist.

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On May 15, 2022, at 12:43 PM, James Lindner via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net <mailto:tigers at autox.team.net> > wrote:

Along the lines of a photo library, I would direct you to the Tiger and Alpine Judging guides on the TEAE website. These documents took me years to put together, and although the photos are often of restored cars, the information contained within came from some of the most knowledgeable Tiger and Alpine people. I cannot swear it is absolutely 100% accurate, but it is pretty close.

The Tiger guide was my first effort and at 30+ pages it does not go too deep. 

https://www.teae.org/cars/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/StockTigerQuickReferenceV2-19.pdf

The Alpine guide however, is more comprehensive and runs to 130 pages.

https://www.teae.org/cars/wp-content/uploads/2021/09/Concours-Judging-Guide-Sunbeam-Alpines.pdf

These are living documents which I update occasionally. Soon I will be adding the info about hinge fasteners, along with a couple other updates/corrections. OBTW…I am going with unpainted hinge fasteners.

Jim Lindner

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On May 15, 2022, at 12:10 PM, Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com <mailto:rfraser at bluefrog.com> > wrote:

Mayf sent me this note and I wanted to make sure everyone on the List
received it.

What I think we need is a photo record from any original owner with an
original Tiger to send photos to the List.

Photos of each Tiger Series would be the goal - B947, B948, B382 and B3821.
I also think photos of each Alpine Series would be helpful.

Ron Fraser

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From: Larry Mayfield <drmayf at mayfco.com <mailto:drmayf at mayfco.com> > 
Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2022 10:49 AM
To: 'Ron Fraser' <rfraser at bluefrog.com <mailto:rfraser at bluefrog.com> >
Subject: RE: [Tigers] Correct trunk hinge fasteners

Ron, mine are OEM. Round slot screws where they run on the weather seal and
stud and nut other side through the deck and into the hinge.  None are
painted.  And my car has been painted 3 times since I acquired it. Paint
shops knew not to paint them. 

mayf

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Subject: Re: [Tigers] Correct trunk hinge fasteners

Allan
   The photo evidence indicates that the Parts List is not correct.

The fasteners should be natural color, not painted.
The trunk lid would be painted 1st, paint cured then installed.

The March 1963 shows this screw in the Series I & II section for the trunk
hinge
2203571    Screw, 1/4" UNF. X 1/2" Special
This screw is also listed for the Series III & IV trunk hinge but the word
Special is not there.

This screw # does not show up in the ZY section of the Parts List.

Your pictures look like a large headed Round Screw much like a license plate
screw.

I know my trunk hinge fasteners are not original so no help there.

Ron Fraser

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Subject: Re: [Tigers] Correct trunk hinge fasteners

These are going on my Forest
Green Mk1a Tiger:

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