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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal>Here are the cover pictures of the September 1967 issue and the Nov 1964 issue.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Anyone have these R&T issues in their collection?<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Putting a Vin #, Engine # or even a license plate # with these cars would be great.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Ron Fraser<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b>From:</b> jimdamelio <jimdamelio@verizon.net> <br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, May 16, 2022 8:30 AM<br><b>To:</b> Ron Fraser <rfraser@bluefrog.com><br><b>Cc:</b> tigers@Autox.Team.Net<br><b>Subject:</b> RE: [Tigers] Correct trunk hinge fasteners<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>It was the September 67 issue when they tested the MKII and November 64 for the MKI. They didn't mention the VIN.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div id="composer_signature"><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;color:#575757'>Sent from my Galaxy<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>-------- Original message --------<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>From: Ron Fraser <<a href="mailto:rfraser@bluefrog.com">rfraser@bluefrog.com</a>> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>Date: 5/16/22 7:59 AM (GMT-05:00) <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>To: 'jimdamelio' <<a href="mailto:jimdamelio@verizon.net">jimdamelio@verizon.net</a>>, 'Allan Ballard' <<a href="mailto:aballard@ix.netcom.com">aballard@ix.netcom.com</a>>, 'James Lindner' <<a href="mailto:jliny5@cox.net">jliny5@cox.net</a>> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>Cc: <a href="mailto:tigers@Autox.Team.Net">tigers@Autox.Team.Net</a> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>Subject: RE: [Tigers] Correct trunk hinge fasteners <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Jim<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> Excellent, period photos are valuable for original details.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Any chance you know the month and year of that R&T issue or maybe the Vin # of that Mk II?<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Ron Fraser<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b>From:</b> Tigers <<a href="mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net">tigers-bounces@autox.team.net</a>> <b>On Behalf Of </b>jimdamelio via Tigers<br><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, May 15, 2022 8:39 PM<br><b>To:</b> Allan Ballard <<a href="mailto:aballard@ix.netcom.com">aballard@ix.netcom.com</a>>; James Lindner <<a href="mailto:jliny5@cox.net">jliny5@cox.net</a>><br><b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:Tigers@autox.team.net">Tigers@autox.team.net</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Tigers] Correct trunk hinge fasteners<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>I have an 8 X 10 B&W photo of a MKII engine compartment and trunk taken by Road & Track when they tested the car. You used to be able to buy copies of the pictures from them for a few bucks. I requested copies of the MKI, but they couldn't find them.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Jim D<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div id="composer_signature"><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:9.0pt;color:#575757'>Sent from my Galaxy</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:black'>-------- Original message --------</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:black'>From: Allan Ballard via Tigers <<a href="mailto:tigers@autox.team.net">tigers@autox.team.net</a>> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:black'>Date: 5/15/22 7:36 PM (GMT-05:00) </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:black'>To: James Lindner <<a href="mailto:jliny5@cox.net">jliny5@cox.net</a>> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:black'>Cc: <a href="mailto:Tigers@autox.team.net">Tigers@autox.team.net</a> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:black'>Subject: Re: [Tigers] Correct trunk hinge fasteners </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Jim’s work to document Tigers and Alpines is extraordinary.<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>A library of supplemental photographs from original cars could only help however, deepening the substances of his primary resource.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>A while ago at a show I met a couple with an unmolested, original Mk II Tiger.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>They offered its use for just such purposes as we’ve discussed here.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Unfortunately I lost their card.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Other opportunities exist.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Sent from my iPhone<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></p><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt'>On May 15, 2022, at 12:43 PM, James Lindner via Tigers <<a href="mailto:tigers@autox.team.net">tigers@autox.team.net</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></blockquote></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Along the lines of a photo library, I would direct you to the Tiger and Alpine Judging guides on the TEAE website. These documents took me years to put together, and although the photos are often of restored cars, the information contained within came from some of the most knowledgeable Tiger and Alpine people. I cannot swear it is absolutely 100% accurate, but it is pretty close.<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>The Tiger guide was my first effort and at 30+ pages it does not go too deep. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><a href="https://www.teae.org/cars/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/StockTigerQuickReferenceV2-19.pdf">https://www.teae.org/cars/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/StockTigerQuickReferenceV2-19.pdf</a><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>The Alpine guide however, is more comprehensive and runs to 130 pages.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><a href="https://www.teae.org/cars/wp-content/uploads/2021/09/Concours-Judging-Guide-Sunbeam-Alpines.pdf">https://www.teae.org/cars/wp-content/uploads/2021/09/Concours-Judging-Guide-Sunbeam-Alpines.pdf</a><br><br>These are living documents which I update occasionally. Soon I will be adding the info about hinge fasteners, along with a couple other updates/corrections. OBTW…I am going with unpainted hinge fasteners.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Jim Lindner<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Sent from my iPad<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></p><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt'>On May 15, 2022, at 12:10 PM, Ron Fraser <<a href="mailto:rfraser@bluefrog.com">rfraser@bluefrog.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></blockquote></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt'>Mayf sent me this note and I wanted to make sure everyone on the List<br>received it.<br><br>What I think we need is a photo record from any original owner with an<br>original Tiger to send photos to the List.<br><br>Photos of each Tiger Series would be the goal - B947, B948, B382 and B3821.<br>I also think photos of each Alpine Series would be helpful.<br><br>Ron Fraser<br><br>-----Original Message-----<br>From: Larry Mayfield <<a href="mailto:drmayf@mayfco.com">drmayf@mayfco.com</a>> <br>Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2022 10:49 AM<br>To: 'Ron Fraser' <<a href="mailto:rfraser@bluefrog.com">rfraser@bluefrog.com</a>><br>Subject: RE: [Tigers] Correct trunk hinge fasteners<br><br>Ron, mine are OEM. Round slot screws where they run on the weather seal and<br>stud and nut other side through the deck and into the hinge. None are<br>painted. And my car has been painted 3 times since I acquired it. Paint<br>shops knew not to paint them. <br><br>mayf<br><br>-----Original Message-----<br>From: Tigers <<a href="mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net">tigers-bounces@autox.team.net</a>> On Behalf Of Ron Fraser<br>Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2022 4:56 AM<br>To: 'Allan Ballard' <<a href="mailto:aballard@ix.netcom.com">aballard@ix.netcom.com</a>><br>Cc: <a href="mailto:tigers@Autox.Team.Net">tigers@Autox.Team.Net</a><br>Subject: Re: [Tigers] Correct trunk hinge fasteners<br><br>Allan<br> The photo evidence indicates that the Parts List is not correct.<br><br>The fasteners should be natural color, not painted.<br>The trunk lid would be painted 1st, paint cured then installed.<br><br>The March 1963 shows this screw in the Series I & II section for the trunk<br>hinge<br>2203571 Screw, 1/4" UNF. X 1/2" Special<br>This screw is also listed for the Series III & IV trunk hinge but the word<br>Special is not there.<br><br>This screw # does not show up in the ZY section of the Parts List.<br><br>Your pictures look like a large headed Round Screw much like a license plate<br>screw.<br><br>I know my trunk hinge fasteners are not original so no help there.<br><br>Ron Fraser<br><br><br>-----Original Message-----<br>From: Tigers <<a href="mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net">tigers-bounces@autox.team.net</a>> On Behalf Of Allan Ballard via<br>Tigers<br>Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2022 1:39 AM<br>To: Jay Laifman <<a href="mailto:jay.laifman@gmail.com">jay.laifman@gmail.com</a>><br>Cc: Tiger List List <<a href="mailto:tigers@autox.team.net">tigers@autox.team.net</a>><br>Subject: Re: [Tigers] Correct trunk hinge fasteners<br><br>These are going on my Forest<br>Green Mk1a Tiger:<br><br><br><br>_______________________________________________<br><br><a href="mailto:tigers@autox.team.net">tigers@autox.team.net</a><br><br>Donate: <a href="http://www.team.net/donate.html">http://www.team.net/donate.html</a><br>Archive: <a href="http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers">http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers</a> <a href="http://autox.team.net/archive">http://autox.team.net/archive</a><br><br>Unsubscribe: <a href="http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/drmayf@mayfco.com">http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/drmayf@mayfco.com</a><br><br><br>_______________________________________________<br><br><a href="mailto:tigers@autox.team.net">tigers@autox.team.net</a><br><br>Donate: <a href="http://www.team.net/donate.html">http://www.team.net/donate.html</a><br>Archive: <a href="http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers">http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers</a> <a href="http://autox.team.net/archive">http://autox.team.net/archive</a><br><br>Unsubscribe: <a href="http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/jliny5@cox.net">http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/jliny5@cox.net</a><o:p></o:p></p></div></blockquote></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt'>_______________________________________________<br><br><a href="mailto:tigers@autox.team.net">tigers@autox.team.net</a><br><br>Donate: <a href="http://www.team.net/donate.html">http://www.team.net/donate.html</a><br>Archive: <a href="http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers">http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers</a> <a href="http://autox.team.net/archive">http://autox.team.net/archive</a><br><br>Unsubscribe: <a href="http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/aballard@ix.netcom.com">http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/aballard@ix.netcom.com</a><o:p></o:p></p></div></blockquote></div></div></div></div></body></html>