[Tigers] Clueless video

Jim B jbsyv at yahoo.com
Wed Mar 16 22:50:28 MDT 2022 

Well, he got the steering box right anyway! Hey, it’s all entertainment … right? 
And, he stirred up the Tiger Community so, it’s not all bad. ;-)
Cheers,
Jim B

> On Mar 16, 2022, at 6:39 PM, Theo Smit via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> He also talked about there being a bulge in the trunk to clear the rear end on Tigers… but did not mention the relocated spare tire and battery. 
> 
> It’s tough for guys like him that review a lot of different cars and have to try to pick up points of interest on each one… they are always going to get massacred by the marque specialists.
> 
> Theo
> 
>> On Mar 16, 2022, at 7:31 PM, Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Tom
>> 
>> Sunbeam Thunderbolt was the code name for the 1963 Tiger concept.
>> 
>> Sunbeam Tiger was the 1925 race car driven by Major Henry O.D. Seagrave.
>> 
>> This is from Bill Carroll's book - pgs. 19 & 45 - also on pg.41 "the big bruiser of a man and the biggest mallet I've seen."
>> 
>> I'm sure in many cases Steve Magnante is researching the car he find on the internet on the spot and we know from experience most of that information is questionable.
>> 
>> My guess is Steve is trying to find a good way to earn a living.
>> 
>> Ron Fraser
>> 
>> 
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>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Tom Witt via Tigers
>> Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2022 8:59 PM
>> To: tigers at autox.team.net
>> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Clueless video
>> 
>> I re-watched the whole video again today. There seems 8 things he got wrong to some degree (in order of appearance):
>> 
>> He addressed the Tiger badging but neglected to mention the distinctive side trim.
>> 
>> He referred to the steering rack as "below the A-arms."  That is a term I have never heard and he failed to mention the rack was notched into the front/top of the crossmember.
>> 
>> The  firewall hammering issue was AGAIN brought up.
>> 
>> The Alpine/Tiger is not a body on frame car as he stated.
>> 
>> He stated the roll up windows were in the rear.
>> 
>> He stated the rear end was a Dana or Salisbury 45, not the 44 that it is.
>> 
>> He eluded that the  BW transmission was a only in the prototypes but the first 50 or so Tigers had them.
>> 
>> The last point I am not familiar with but he states the 1927 (he says
>> 1925) land speed Sunbeam was called the "Thunderbolt." The internet says Campbell called the car the Bluebird it was also nick named  "The Slug". 
>> I found no reference of it being called a Thunderbolt According Mike Taylor's book in the early 60's the (to be) Tiger was referred  to as a Thunderbolt but as Ford was using the name it was changed to Tiger. Too much to read at the moment to see what TBON has to say.
>> 
>> I actually met Magnante  at the Mopar Spring/Fall Fling. He is a very personable guy. For whatever reason other than the Barrett Jackson events his career seems to be in a holding pattern. He seems to be struggling to find his place in the internet world. Maybe accuracy has something to do with it. The day before he did a video on Studebaker and got a number of things wrong there too.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 3/16/2022 2:53 PM, JAMES ARMSTRONG via Tigers wrote:
>>> I saw the video Tom Witt pointed out. That guy is beyond clueless; he 
>>> doesn’t know what he’s talking about. And he comes on that he’s a 
>>> expert. There are to be a law… Jim Armstrong
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
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>>>> Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2022 19:06:56 -0400
>>>> From: "Ron Fraser" <rfraser at bluefrog.com>
>>>> To: "'James Armstrong'" <rollright at aol.com>
>>>> Cc: <tigers at Autox.Team.Net>
>>>> Subject: Re: [Tigers] toll roll belt
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>>>> Jim
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>>>>               I took a look at the remnants of my original tool kit strap.
>>>> 
>>>> The witness marks indicate that the buckle was to the rear.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Ron Fraser
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>>>> From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of James 
>>>> Armstrong via Tigers
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2022 12:07 PM
>>>> To: tigers at autox.team.net
>>>> Subject: [Tigers] toll roll belt
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Hello all,
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> My trunk restoration is coming to a close
>>>> 
>>>> I have a question on the placement of the tool roll fixing belt
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> When the toll roll is out, does the belt buckle lay towards the front 
>>>> of the car, or the rear
>>>> 
>>>> I have pictures that depict both ways.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> And if a picture is available, I'd really like to see them.
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>>>> Yours for the sport,
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>>>> Jim Armstrong
>>>> rollright at aol.com <mailto:rollright at aol.com>
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>>>> From: Tom Witt <atwittsend at verizon.net>
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>>>> Subject: [Tigers] The myth, and other urban legends continues
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>>>> Not giving a clue here. The obvious is apparent.
>>>> https://youtu.be/EqJH49jWD9w?t=90 This is cued to a relevant point 
>>>> but I'm sure there are more to be found.
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