<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><span style="font-size: 14px;" class="">Well, he got the steering box right anyway! Hey, it’s all entertainment … right? </span><div class=""><span style="font-size: 14px;" class="">And, he stirred up the Tiger Community so, it’s not all bad. ;-)</span></div><div class=""><span style="font-size: 14px;" class="">Cheers,</span></div><div class=""><span style="font-size: 14px;" class="">Jim B</span></div><div class=""><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Mar 16, 2022, at 6:39 PM, Theo Smit via Tigers <<a href="mailto:tigers@autox.team.net" class="">tigers@autox.team.net</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div class="">He also talked about there being a bulge in the trunk to clear the rear end on Tigers… but did not mention the relocated spare tire and battery. <br class=""><br class="">It’s tough for guys like him that review a lot of different cars and have to try to pick up points of interest on each one… they are always going to get massacred by the marque specialists.<br class=""><br class="">Theo<br class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class="">On Mar 16, 2022, at 7:31 PM, Ron Fraser <<a href="mailto:rfraser@bluefrog.com" class="">rfraser@bluefrog.com</a>> wrote:<br class=""><br class="">Tom<br class=""><br class="">Sunbeam Thunderbolt was the code name for the 1963 Tiger concept.<br class=""><br class="">Sunbeam Tiger was the 1925 race car driven by Major Henry O.D. Seagrave.<br class=""><br class="">This is from Bill Carroll's book - pgs. 19 & 45 - also on pg.41 "the big bruiser of a man and the biggest mallet I've seen."<br class=""><br class="">I'm sure in many cases Steve Magnante is researching the car he find on the internet on the spot and we know from experience most of that information is questionable.<br class=""><br class="">My guess is Steve is trying to find a good way to earn a living.<br class=""><br class="">Ron Fraser<br class=""><br class=""><br class=""><br class="">-----Original Message-----<br class="">From: Tigers <<a href="mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net" class="">tigers-bounces@autox.team.net</a>> On Behalf Of Tom Witt via Tigers<br class="">Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2022 8:59 PM<br class="">To: <a href="mailto:tigers@autox.team.net" class="">tigers@autox.team.net</a><br class="">Subject: Re: [Tigers] Clueless video<br class=""><br class="">I re-watched the whole video again today. There seems 8 things he got wrong to some degree (in order of appearance):<br class=""><br class="">He addressed the Tiger badging but neglected to mention the distinctive side trim.<br class=""><br class="">He referred to the steering rack as "below the A-arms." That is a term I have never heard and he failed to mention the rack was notched into the front/top of the crossmember.<br class=""><br class="">The firewall hammering issue was AGAIN brought up.<br class=""><br class="">The Alpine/Tiger is not a body on frame car as he stated.<br class=""><br class="">He stated the roll up windows were in the rear.<br class=""><br class="">He stated the rear end was a Dana or Salisbury 45, not the 44 that it is.<br class=""><br class="">He eluded that the BW transmission was a only in the prototypes but the first 50 or so Tigers had them.<br class=""><br class="">The last point I am not familiar with but he states the 1927 (he says<br class="">1925) land speed Sunbeam was called the "Thunderbolt." The internet says Campbell called the car the Bluebird it was also nick named "The Slug". <br class="">I found no reference of it being called a Thunderbolt According Mike Taylor's book in the early 60's the (to be) Tiger was referred to as a Thunderbolt but as Ford was using the name it was changed to Tiger. Too much to read at the moment to see what TBON has to say.<br class=""><br class="">I actually met Magnante at the Mopar Spring/Fall Fling. He is a very personable guy. For whatever reason other than the Barrett Jackson events his career seems to be in a holding pattern. He seems to be struggling to find his place in the internet world. Maybe accuracy has something to do with it. The day before he did a video on Studebaker and got a number of things wrong there too.<br class=""><br class=""><br class=""><br class="">On 3/16/2022 2:53 PM, JAMES ARMSTRONG via Tigers wrote:<br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class="">I saw the video Tom Witt pointed out. That guy is beyond clueless; he <br class="">doesn’t know what he’s talking about. And he comes on that he’s a <br class="">expert. There are to be a law… Jim Armstrong<br class=""><br class="">Sent from my iPhone<br class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class="">On Mar 16, 2022, at 2:01 PM, <a href="mailto:tigers-request@autox.team.net" class="">tigers-request@autox.team.net</a> wrote:<br class=""><br class="">Send Tigers mailing list submissions to<br class=""> <a href="mailto:tigers@autox.team.net" class="">tigers@autox.team.net</a><br class=""><br class="">To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit<br class=""> <a href="http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers" class="">http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers</a><br class="">or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to<br class=""> <a href="mailto:tigers-request@autox.team.net" class="">tigers-request@autox.team.net</a><br class=""><br class="">You can reach the person managing the list at<br class=""> <a href="mailto:tigers-owner@autox.team.net" class="">tigers-owner@autox.team.net</a><br class=""><br class="">When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific <br class="">than "Re: Contents of Tigers digest..."<br class=""><br class=""><br class="">Today's Topics:<br class=""><br class=""> 1. Re: toll roll belt (Ron Fraser)<br class=""> 2. The myth, and other urban legends continues (Tom Witt)<br class=""><br class=""><br class="">---------------------------------------------------------------------<br class="">-<br class=""><br class="">Message: 1<br class="">Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2022 19:06:56 -0400<br class="">From: "Ron Fraser" <<a href="mailto:rfraser@bluefrog.com" class="">rfraser@bluefrog.com</a>><br class="">To: "'James Armstrong'" <<a href="mailto:rollright@aol.com" class="">rollright@aol.com</a>><br class="">Cc: <<a href="mailto:tigers@Autox.Team.Net" class="">tigers@Autox.Team.Net</a>><br class="">Subject: Re: [Tigers] toll roll belt<br class="">Message-ID: <<a href="mailto:001901d838c1$5f908520$1eb18f60$@bluefrog.com" class="">001901d838c1$5f908520$1eb18f60$@bluefrog.com</a>><br class="">Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"<br class=""><br class="">Jim<br class=""><br class=""> I took a look at the remnants of my original tool kit strap.<br class=""><br class="">The witness marks indicate that the buckle was to the rear.<br class=""><br class=""><br class=""><br class="">Ron Fraser<br class=""><br class=""><br class=""><br class="">From: Tigers <<a href="mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net" class="">tigers-bounces@autox.team.net</a>> On Behalf Of James <br class="">Armstrong via Tigers<br class="">Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2022 12:07 PM<br class="">To: <a href="mailto:tigers@autox.team.net" class="">tigers@autox.team.net</a><br class="">Subject: [Tigers] toll roll belt<br class=""><br class=""><br class=""><br class="">Hello all,<br class=""><br class=""><br class=""><br class="">My trunk restoration is coming to a close<br class=""><br class="">I have a question on the placement of the tool roll fixing belt<br class=""><br class=""><br class="">When the toll roll is out, does the belt buckle lay towards the front <br class="">of the car, or the rear<br class=""><br class="">I have pictures that depict both ways.<br class=""><br class=""><br class=""><br class="">And if a picture is available, I'd really like to see them.<br class=""><br class=""><br class=""><br class="">Yours for the sport,<br class=""><br class=""><br class=""><br class="">Jim Armstrong<br class=""><a href="mailto:rollright@aol.com" class="">rollright@aol.com</a> <<a href="mailto:rollright@aol.com" class="">mailto:rollright@aol.com</a>><br class=""><br class=""><br class=""><br class="">-------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was <br class="">scrubbed...<br class="">URL: <br class=""><<a href="http://autox.team.net/pipermail/tigers/attachments/20220315/cf5489bb" class="">http://autox.team.net/pipermail/tigers/attachments/20220315/cf5489bb</a><br class="">/attachment-0001.htm><br class=""><br class="">------------------------------<br class=""><br class="">Message: 2<br class="">Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2022 20:53:57 -0700<br class="">From: Tom Witt <<a href="mailto:atwittsend@verizon.net" class="">atwittsend@verizon.net</a>><br class="">To: "<a href="mailto:tigers@autox.team.net" class="">tigers@autox.team.net</a>" <<a href="mailto:tigers@autox.team.net" class="">tigers@autox.team.net</a>><br class="">Subject: [Tigers] The myth, and other urban legends continues<br class="">Message-ID: <<a href="mailto:4607e0af-beb9-a04d-783c-4e985135d4b9@verizon.net" class="">4607e0af-beb9-a04d-783c-4e985135d4b9@verizon.net</a>><br class="">Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed<br class=""><br class="">Not giving a clue here. 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