[Tigers] Clueless video

Theo Smit tsmit at shaw.ca
Wed Mar 16 19:39:12 MDT 2022 

He also talked about there being a bulge in the trunk to clear the rear end on Tigers… but did not mention the relocated spare tire and battery. 

It’s tough for guys like him that review a lot of different cars and have to try to pick up points of interest on each one… they are always going to get massacred by the marque specialists.

Theo

> On Mar 16, 2022, at 7:31 PM, Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com> wrote:
> 
> Tom
> 
> Sunbeam Thunderbolt was the code name for the 1963 Tiger concept.
> 
> Sunbeam Tiger was the 1925 race car driven by Major Henry O.D. Seagrave.
> 
> This is from Bill Carroll's book - pgs. 19 & 45 - also on pg.41 "the big bruiser of a man and the biggest mallet I've seen."
> 
> I'm sure in many cases Steve Magnante is researching the car he find on the internet on the spot and we know from experience most of that information is questionable.
> 
> My guess is Steve is trying to find a good way to earn a living.
> 
> Ron Fraser
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> From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Tom Witt via Tigers
> Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2022 8:59 PM
> To: tigers at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Clueless video
> 
> I re-watched the whole video again today. There seems 8 things he got wrong to some degree (in order of appearance):
> 
> He addressed the Tiger badging but neglected to mention the distinctive side trim.
> 
> He referred to the steering rack as "below the A-arms."  That is a term I have never heard and he failed to mention the rack was notched into the front/top of the crossmember.
> 
> The  firewall hammering issue was AGAIN brought up.
> 
> The Alpine/Tiger is not a body on frame car as he stated.
> 
> He stated the roll up windows were in the rear.
> 
> He stated the rear end was a Dana or Salisbury 45, not the 44 that it is.
> 
> He eluded that the  BW transmission was a only in the prototypes but the first 50 or so Tigers had them.
> 
> The last point I am not familiar with but he states the 1927 (he says
> 1925) land speed Sunbeam was called the "Thunderbolt." The internet says Campbell called the car the Bluebird it was also nick named  "The Slug". 
> I found no reference of it being called a Thunderbolt According Mike Taylor's book in the early 60's the (to be) Tiger was referred  to as a Thunderbolt but as Ford was using the name it was changed to Tiger. Too much to read at the moment to see what TBON has to say.
> 
> I actually met Magnante  at the Mopar Spring/Fall Fling. He is a very personable guy. For whatever reason other than the Barrett Jackson events his career seems to be in a holding pattern. He seems to be struggling to find his place in the internet world. Maybe accuracy has something to do with it. The day before he did a video on Studebaker and got a number of things wrong there too.
> 
> 
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> On 3/16/2022 2:53 PM, JAMES ARMSTRONG via Tigers wrote:
>> I saw the video Tom Witt pointed out. That guy is beyond clueless; he 
>> doesn’t know what he’s talking about. And he comes on that he’s a 
>> expert. There are to be a law… Jim Armstrong
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>>> Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2022 19:06:56 -0400
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>>> Jim
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>>>                I took a look at the remnants of my original tool kit strap.
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>>> The witness marks indicate that the buckle was to the rear.
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>>> Ron Fraser
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>>> From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of James 
>>> Armstrong via Tigers
>>> Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2022 12:07 PM
>>> To: tigers at autox.team.net
>>> Subject: [Tigers] toll roll belt
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>>> 
>>> Hello all,
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>>> 
>>> 
>>> My trunk restoration is coming to a close
>>> 
>>> I have a question on the placement of the tool roll fixing belt
>>> 
>>> 
>>> When the toll roll is out, does the belt buckle lay towards the front 
>>> of the car, or the rear
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>>> I have pictures that depict both ways.
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>>> And if a picture is available, I'd really like to see them.
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>>> Yours for the sport,
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>>> Jim Armstrong
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>>> Not giving a clue here. The obvious is apparent.
>>> https://youtu.be/EqJH49jWD9w?t=90 This is cued to a relevant point 
>>> but I'm sure there are more to be found.
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