[NOBBC] Resurrected Facebook page

Tue May 26 10:06:20 MDT 2015

Hi Everyone,

It's been awhile since I posted anything, but the recent hubhub over Facebook
the last couple days requires some clarification.  First, and contrary to what
was written below, no one has been signed up for the Facebook group who didn't
first request to join.  Second, it was quite by accident and with no intention
of kicking a hornets nest that I was given a chance to take over the dormant
Facebook group.

Just out of curiosity, I clicked on the old Facebook group page and a window
popped up informing me there was no admin for the group and asking if I wanted
to become the admin.  Why I was given that opportunity and whether the same
opportunity would have been given to anyone looking at the page I do not know.
Knowing that there had been substantial effort to regain control of the group
page after Ron's passing, I thought I was doing the club a favor by taking
control when the opportunity arose.

I thought Greg was a likely candidate to take over the page and sent him an
email letting him know what had happened.  Yes, as Greg will point out, I did
not specifically ask him in that first email if he wanted to be the admin as
it was just a brief email to let him know the page was once again active.  It
was clear from Greg's response that he had no interest in anything having to
do with Facebook. That being the case, I went on to the page, updated the
cover photo to the only photo I had available at the moment (and which should
be changed to one more representative of the group), posted a comment about
what had happened, and approved about a dozen membership requests that were
pending, including Greg's.

No harm was intended.  If you don't like Facebook, that's fine.  We all have
our preferences.  But the Facebook group is back and running.  Feel free to
use it or not as you wish.

And on a car note, I hope to get my MG running and see you all on a ride soon.

Cheers,

Dan

Daniel A. Drummond
Attorney at Law
576 B Street, Suite 2F
Santa Rosa, CA 95401
(707) 542-3418

-----Original Message-----
From: NOBBC [mailto:nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of NOBBC
Sent: Monday, May 25, 2015 4:25 PM
To: Betz Miller; North Bay British Car Club; NOBBC at yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [NOBBC] Resurrected Facebook page

Hi Betz and Members,

Betz, I know you've had troubles in the past. You and one other member have
had troubles from the beginning, and I've tried to help both of you.

I want to be clear. I am not asking for opinions on the Yahoo Group. In part,
I am asking whether the membership wants the Facebook page resurrected as Dan
has already done. If you do, you all need to decide which medium will be used
as the official mode of communication and scheduling information. I WILL NOT
USE FACEBOOK, so Dan would step in and take over all club communications, or
some other member if Dan doesn't want to. He was able to simply take over what
was supposed to be the locked Facebook account for the NOBBC, without FB
requiring any proof of affiliation, which I think is just weird. At least Dan
is a member (it could have been anyone simply taking over the club's
identity).

Already, I've lost a couple of hours today to this issue; responding to Dan,
writing to the members. Shortly after telling Dan I didn't want to be on
Facebook, he signed me up using one of my private email addresses and approved
me - without my asking, and after I specifically told him I didn't want to use
FB. Shortly after that, I received an email from someone who signed up to the
FB page, but I have no idea if Dan is now speaking as the official voice of
the NOBBC to this person or any other new FB user. Whether the membership
wants that to happen or not, I don't think it makes sense to have multiple
forms of official communication, and multiple administrators. It's confusing,
and it's tough enough just to keep the Yahoo Group up to date with the drive
info.

Also, since hardly anyone seems to post messages these days to either the
Autox list or the Yahoo Group, why do we need yet another social media
page?Again, if that's what you all want, I WOULD LIKE TO HAND OVER THE
MANAGEMENT OF THE AUTOX, WEB SITE, AND YAHOO GROUP. I'd also like to propose
we do away with the web site www.nobbc.com, and save Dean some money.

Dan - if you want to take over all of these tasks, I'm good with that. I think
I would have appreciated it if you had asked the members ahead of time, and it
would have been nice to know that FB will simply give away a locked account.

Like it or not, you now all have a Facebook page, with Dan as administrator.
You also have an antiquated emailing list. You have a web site. You have a
Yahoo Group. I'm taking care of three of those things, and I was managing a
separate membership list. I AM NOT ASKING FOR ANY MORE JOBS TO DO OR SITES TO
ADMINISTER. I AM ASKING YOU ALL TO STRAIGHTEN THIS OUT AMONGST YOURSELVES,
PLEASE. PLEASE DON'T OFFER OPINIONS WITHOUT SOLUTIONS.

Thanks,

Greg Tatarian

On 5/25/2015 3:15 PM, Betz Miller wrote:
> Hi,
> Since you asked, I don't like the yahoo site.  Not sure if I've ever
> been successful at posting.  Plus I have a Microsoft Surface Tablet RT
> 2, which I don't recommend, but sometimes when I try to create a new
> contact it goes into be in my yahoo address which I only created to
> join this club.
> Betz Miller
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NOBBC [mailto:nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Roland
> Quintero
> Sent: Monday, May 25, 2015 11:57 AM
> To: North Bay British Car Club
> Subject: Re: [NOBBC] Resurrected Facebook page
>
> Greg, I was happy with the BBC Yahoo group site. That is only my
> opinion but it was direct and easy.
>
>
> Best Regards,  Roland.
>
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
>> On May 25, 2015, at 10:55 AM, NOBBC <thenobbc at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Roland,
>>
>> Replying on autox as well as the Yahoo Group...
>>
>> I think we should have one main communication mode for that purpose,
>> which
> has been almost entirely the Yahoo Group, and formerly the Autox
> mailing list.
> I don't think it would be a good idea to use yet another medium for
> listing events and drives. If members want to switch over to Facebook,
> remember there will be other members who will no longer be involved,
> as they won't sign up for FB. I'm one of those, so if FB is the
> preferred approach, I would propose migrating entirely and let someone
> like Dan or whomever take over the club communication
> responsibilities, or keep both but let someone else take over the Yahoo
Group.
>> We don't really communicate much as a group these days, and only a
>> couple of
> members have posted photos recently, so I'm not sure if it even makes
> sense to keep a web page anymore. I think our last remaining founding
> member, Dean, might want to weigh in on that, however.
>> cheers,
>>
>> Greg
>>
>>> On 5/25/2015 10:06 AM, Roland Quintero wrote:
>>> So Greg and everybody I tried to leave a comment on Facebook but
>>> could not
> do
>>> it. Are we going to list our events on Facebook or would you
>>> continue to
> use
>>> NOBBC Communications for drives.?
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> Do what you can do well
>>>
>>>> On May 25, 2015, at 9:16 AM, NOBBC <thenobbc at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hello Members,
>>>>
>>>> Yesterday I received an email from member Dan Drummond, who has
>>>> taken over as administrator of the Facebook page that was
>>>> originally started and administered by Ron. After Ron's death, I
>>>> spent months working with his widow to try to transfer the FB page
>>>> over to me or someone else in the club, but was denied. FB wouldn't
>>>> close the account, only lock it - even after insisting I send them
>>>> a death certificate and an affidavit from his widow and myself, and
>>>> after many
> emails and phone calls.
>>>> During our recent group discussion of the merits and shortcomings
>>>> of the various club sites we are using and that may be available,
>>>> there were several who expressed concerns or dislike with FB, and
>>>> several who expressed satisfaction with it, but nothing came of any
>>>> of the discussions. This is just one more reason why I don't like
>>>> FB, and why I won't use it - Dan could have been anyone, not even
>>>> affiliated with the club, but was able to take over what was
>>>> supposed to be a
> locked account.
>>>> I've excerpted relevant parts of two emails from Dan, since he does
>>>> not use the Yahoo group:
>>>>
>>>>> I was nosing around Facebook this morning and just for ducks,
>>>>> clicked on the old NOBBC page that Ron used to manage.  A window
>>>>> popped up saying the group needed an admin and asked if I wanted
>>>>> to be it.  I clicked on yes so I think I'm the new admin.
>>>>> I have no gripes with Facebook.  I belong to two groups that use
>>>>> it (one group that I manage and one that I do not) and it works
>>>>> quite well. It kind of seems like the PC versus Mac debate.
>>>>> People like one and hate the other.  FWIW, I've always found the
>>>>> Yahoo group site difficult to navigate to the point I gave up on it.
>>>> Please express your thought on this matter to the group.
>>>>
>>>> Greg Tatarian
>>>> Administrator/Moderator - NOBBC Yahoo Group, Autox list
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