[NOBBC] Resurrected Facebook page

Mon May 25 17:24:40 MDT 2015

Hi Betz and Members,

Betz, I know you've had troubles in the past. You and one other member 
have had troubles from the beginning, and I've tried to help both of you.

I want to be clear. I am not asking for opinions on the Yahoo Group. In 
part, I am asking whether the membership wants the Facebook page 
resurrected as Dan has already done. If you do, you all need to decide 
which medium will be used as the official mode of communication and 
scheduling information. I WILL NOT USE FACEBOOK, so Dan would step in 
and take over all club communications, or some other member if Dan 
doesn't want to. He was able to simply take over what was supposed to be 
the locked Facebook account for the NOBBC, without FB requiring any 
proof of affiliation, which I think is just weird. At least Dan is a 
member (it could have been anyone simply taking over the club's identity).

Already, I've lost a couple of hours today to this issue; responding to 
Dan, writing to the members. Shortly after telling Dan I didn't want to 
be on Facebook, he signed me up using one of my private email addresses 
and approved me - without my asking, and after I specifically told him I 
didn't want to use FB. Shortly after that, I received an email from 
someone who signed up to the FB page, but I have no idea if Dan is now 
speaking as the official voice of the NOBBC to this person or any other 
new FB user. Whether the membership wants that to happen or not, I don't 
think it makes sense to have multiple forms of official communication, 
and multiple administrators. It's confusing, and it's tough enough just 
to keep the Yahoo Group up to date with the drive info.

Also, since hardly anyone seems to post messages these days to either 
the Autox list or the Yahoo Group, why do we need yet another social 
media page?Again, if that's what you all want, I WOULD LIKE TO HAND OVER 
THE MANAGEMENT OF THE AUTOX, WEB SITE, AND YAHOO GROUP. I'd also like to 
propose we do away with the web site www.nobbc.com, and save Dean some 
money.

Dan - if you want to take over all of these tasks, I'm good with that. I 
think I would have appreciated it if you had asked the members ahead of 
time, and it would have been nice to know that FB will simply give away 
a locked account.

Like it or not, you now all have a Facebook page, with Dan as 
administrator. You also have an antiquated emailing list. You have a web 
site. You have a Yahoo Group. I'm taking care of three of those things, 
and I was managing a separate membership list. I AM NOT ASKING FOR ANY 
MORE JOBS TO DO OR SITES TO ADMINISTER. I AM ASKING YOU ALL TO 
STRAIGHTEN THIS OUT AMONGST YOURSELVES, PLEASE. PLEASE DON'T OFFER 
OPINIONS WITHOUT SOLUTIONS.

Thanks,

Greg Tatarian

On 5/25/2015 3:15 PM, Betz Miller wrote:
> Hi,
> Since you asked, I don't like the yahoo site.  Not sure if I've ever been
> successful at posting.  Plus I have a Microsoft Surface Tablet RT 2, which I
> don't recommend, but sometimes when I try to create a new contact it goes
> into be in my yahoo address which I only created to join this
> club.
> Betz Miller
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NOBBC [mailto:nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Roland
> Quintero
> Sent: Monday, May 25, 2015 11:57 AM
> To: North Bay British Car Club
> Subject: Re: [NOBBC] Resurrected Facebook page
>
> Greg, I was happy with the BBC Yahoo group site. That is only my opinion but
> it was direct and easy.
>
>
> Best Regards,  Roland.
>
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
>> On May 25, 2015, at 10:55 AM, NOBBC <thenobbc at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Roland,
>>
>> Replying on autox as well as the Yahoo Group...
>>
>> I think we should have one main communication mode for that purpose,
>> which
> has been almost entirely the Yahoo Group, and formerly the Autox mailing
> list.
> I don't think it would be a good idea to use yet another medium for listing
> events and drives. If members want to switch over to Facebook, remember
> there will be other members who will no longer be involved, as they won't
> sign up for FB. I'm one of those, so if FB is the preferred approach, I
> would propose migrating entirely and let someone like Dan or whomever take
> over the club communication responsibilities, or keep both but let someone
> else take over the Yahoo Group.
>> We don't really communicate much as a group these days, and only a
>> couple of
> members have posted photos recently, so I'm not sure if it even makes sense
> to keep a web page anymore. I think our last remaining founding member,
> Dean, might want to weigh in on that, however.
>> cheers,
>>
>> Greg
>>
>>> On 5/25/2015 10:06 AM, Roland Quintero wrote:
>>> So Greg and everybody I tried to leave a comment on Facebook but
>>> could not
> do
>>> it. Are we going to list our events on Facebook or would you continue
>>> to
> use
>>> NOBBC Communications for drives.?
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> Do what you can do well
>>>
>>>> On May 25, 2015, at 9:16 AM, NOBBC <thenobbc at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hello Members,
>>>>
>>>> Yesterday I received an email from member Dan Drummond, who has
>>>> taken over as administrator of the Facebook page that was originally
>>>> started and administered by Ron. After Ron's death, I spent months
>>>> working with his widow to try to transfer the FB page over to me or
>>>> someone else in the club, but was denied. FB wouldn't close the
>>>> account, only lock it - even after insisting I send them a death
>>>> certificate and an affidavit from his widow and myself, and after many
> emails and phone calls.
>>>> During our recent group discussion of the merits and shortcomings of
>>>> the various club sites we are using and that may be available, there
>>>> were several who expressed concerns or dislike with FB, and several
>>>> who expressed satisfaction with it, but nothing came of any of the
>>>> discussions. This is just one more reason why I don't like FB, and
>>>> why I won't use it - Dan could have been anyone, not even affiliated
>>>> with the club, but was able to take over what was supposed to be a
> locked account.
>>>> I've excerpted relevant parts of two emails from Dan, since he does
>>>> not use the Yahoo group:
>>>>
>>>>> I was nosing around Facebook this morning and just for ducks,
>>>>> clicked on the old NOBBC page that Ron used to manage.  A window
>>>>> popped up saying the group needed an admin and asked if I wanted to
>>>>> be it.  I clicked on yes so I think I'm the new admin.
>>>>> I have no gripes with Facebook.  I belong to two groups that use it
>>>>> (one group that I manage and one that I do not) and it works quite
>>>>> well. It kind of seems like the PC versus Mac debate.  People like
>>>>> one and hate the other.  FWIW, I've always found the Yahoo group
>>>>> site difficult to navigate to the point I gave up on it.
>>>> Please express your thought on this matter to the group.
>>>>
>>>> Greg Tatarian
>>>> Administrator/Moderator - NOBBC Yahoo Group, Autox list
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