[Mgs] Slow cranking, was Siphoning Gas - Final
Bert Palte
palte at gmx.net
Mon Nov 30 09:44:07 MST 2020
Hans, Great to read that all is working fine again!
Op 30-11-2020 om 14:10 schreef h.duinhoven at planet.nl:
>
> Here’s the latest update.
>
> A local workshop has overhauled the starter.
>
> New brushes, commutator flattened on a lathe etc. new bearings and Bendix.
>
> Placed the starter back in the GT and it runs as new – starts well again!
>
> A nice tour in the late November sun was the reward.
>
> As salt has been sprayed over the roads after the first freezing
> nights, the GT remains inside till spring.
>
> Battery on the tender…
>
> Time for the other classics (3 Puch mopeds from the early seventies).
>
> Thank you for all good advices.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Hans
>
> 71 BGT
>
> *Van:* Mgs <mgs-bounces at autox.team.net> *Namens *h.duinhoven at planet.nl
> *Verzonden:* donderdag 19 november 2020 20:12
> *Aan:* 'Richard Lindsay' <richardolindsay at gmail.com>
> *CC:* 'mglist' <mgs at autox.team.net>
> *Onderwerp:* Re: [Mgs] Slow cranking, was Siphoning Gas
>
> I have tested the starter outside of the car. Bendix works well, but
> motor runs poorly with lots of sparking over the brushes.
>
> So I took your advice and it is now at the local repair shop. They’ll
> disassemble it first, in order to see it is feasible to do a repair,
> or a new starter is better.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Hans
>
> *Van:* Mgs <mgs-bounces at autox.team.net
> <mailto:mgs-bounces at autox.team.net>> *Namens *Richard Lindsay
> *Verzonden:* zondag 15 november 2020 14:57
> *Aan:* Hans Duinhoven <h.duinhoven at planet.nl
> <mailto:h.duinhoven at planet.nl>>
> *CC:* mglist <mgs at autox.team.net <mailto:mgs at autox.team.net>>;
> MGB-Yahoo <mg-mgb at yahoogroups.com <mailto:mg-mgb at yahoogroups.com>>
> *Onderwerp:* Re: [Mgs] Slow cranking, was Siphoning Gas
>
> My vote is to have your local shop do the rebuild. Turn the commutator
> on the lathe and replace the brushes.
>
> On Sun, Nov 15, 2020, 7:48 AM <h.duinhoven at planet.nl
> <mailto:h.duinhoven at planet.nl>> wrote:
>
> I measured the voltage on the posts while cranking = 10,5 volts.
> It is on a digital meter, so I wonder if that’s a good value.
>
> The same value is measured on the starter ingoing post.
>
> So no tension loss on the electrical circuits.
>
>
> Now there is a discussion:
>
> Repair the starter or buy a new one.
>
> High torque starter = € 325,00, which is pricy
>
> Original starter on exchange base = € 200,00
>
> New starter Powerlite = € 239,00
>
> New starter looking like a Lucas (white labelled) = € 135,00
>
> https://www.octagonparts.nl/product-categorie/mgb/electrical-mgb/starting-system-mgb-electrical-mgb/
> <https://www.octagonparts.nl/product-categorie/mgb/electrical-mgb/starting-system-mgb-electrical-mgb/>
>
>
> https://www.angloparts.com/en/catalogues/part/26883/082.024
> <https://www.angloparts.com/en/catalogues/part/26883/082.024>
>
> There is a local electrical car parts repair shop, where the
> alternator has been repaired +/- 10 years ago.
>
> They did a good job.
>
> I assume they can fix the starter as well, but what is better – a
> new one (Angloparts = € 152 or € 135,00 at octagonparts) or have
> the original repaired…
>
> Cheers,
>
> Hans
>
> *Van:* PaulHunt73 <paulhunt73 at virginmedia.com
> <mailto:paulhunt73 at virginmedia.com>>
> *Verzonden:* dinsdag 10 november 2020 11:41
> *Aan:* h.duinhoven at planet.nl <mailto:h.duinhoven at planet.nl>
> *CC:* 'mglist' <mgs at autox.team.net <mailto:mgs at autox.team.net>>;
> 'MGB-Yahoo' <mg-mgb at yahoogroups.com <mailto:mg-mgb at yahoogroups.com>>
> *Onderwerp:* Re: [Mgs] Slow cranking, was Siphoning Gas
>
> Yes, measure the voltage right on the battery posts (adding the
> two voltages together if twin 6v batteries) when cranking, then
> compare that with the voltage at the battery cable stud on the
> solenoid and starter body when cranking. The difference between
> the two is what is being lost in the connections, a volt or so is
> normal but it shouldn't be much more than that.
>
> If you get much less than 10v at the battery posts then that is
> the problem.
>
> PaulH.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> Next job is the slow starter motor.
>
> I already cleaned the battery posts clamps and the post of the
> battery to chassis cable.
>
> Also cleaned thoroughly the chassis to engine cable.
>
> Nothing helped so far.
>
> So next will be verifying the battery voltage when cranking. I
> assume it will be o.k. as the battery is new.
>
> Following step will be measuring the voltage over the starter
> motor +12V to the engine.
>
> When o.k., the starter is suspect. As it never was overhauled,
> this is logical.
>
> Nice winter job.
>
> *Van:* Mgs <mgs-bounces at autox.team.net
> <mailto:mgs-bounces at autox.team.net>> *Namens *Dan DiBiase
> *Verzonden:* donderdag 22 oktober 2020 22:26
> *Aan:* Richard Lindsay <richardolindsay at gmail.com
> <mailto:richardolindsay at gmail.com>>
> *CC:* mglist <mgs at autox.team.net <mailto:mgs at autox.team.net>>;
> MGB-Yahoo <mg-mgb at yahoogroups.com <mailto:mg-mgb at yahoogroups.com>>
> *Onderwerp:* Re: [Mgs] Siphoning Gas
>
> OMG, duh! Thanks to all that replied with this excellent (and
> obvious, now!) advice..............................
>
> Dan D
>
> http://dandibiase.cbintouch.com/
> <http://dandibiase.cbintouch.com/>
>
> On Thu, Oct 22, 2020 at 4:13 PM Richard Lindsay
> <richardolindsay at gmail.com <mailto:richardolindsay at gmail.com>>
> wrote:
>
> I had the same problem. I disconnected the fuel hose,
> added a a long bit of hose and with the coil disconnected,
> used the fuel pump to pump old fuel into jugs.
>
> On Thu, Oct 22, 2020, 3:02 PM Dan DiBiase
> <dan.dibiase at gmail.com <mailto:dan.dibiase at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> Hi all.... My '76B, which was off the road for 5
> years, was recently returned to me from the shop. They
> added some new gas but did not siphon out the 5 year
> old gas (which was just under 1/2 tank when I had it
> towed in. The car is running pretty rough so I want to
> siphon out most of the gas before I fill it up. It is
> currently showing as just under 1/2 tank, so around 6
> gallons or a little less (assuming gauge accuracy).
>
> I was able to pump out about 2 gallons but am
> wondering if the interior of the tank is baffled, as I
> can't seem to move the hose beyond a certain area and
> it's not sucking up any additional gas. Would really
> like to remove a couple more gallons before I fill it up.
>
> Thx,
>
> Dan D
>
> '76B- Getting There
>
> '65B - Waiting It's Turn
>
> Central NJ USA
>
> http://dandibiase.cbintouch.com/
> <http://dandibiase.cbintouch.com/>
>
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