[Mgs] Old Car Radios

Mon Nov 30 15:26:10 MST 2020

My turn???

Years ago I acquired an overpriced box of stuff, including an original Triumph sidescreen radio (AM of course).  It came in a “stand” that fit between the tunnel and the dash and included a speaker.  It did not work.

At the time I was part of the Datsun Roadster group (Datsun Roadsters were built from 1962? To 1970), and were the precursor to the 240Z.  a lister had posted that his dad retired, was some sort of electronics technician, and was looking to repair radios as a hobby.  So I sent him mine.  I was told that he was thrilled to work on one that had tubes, and he really enjoyed refurbishing it.

That radio went into a 1957 TR3 that the current owner showed at The Gathering a few years ago and came away with first in class.

From: Mgs <mgs-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Bert Palte
Sent: Monday, November 30, 2020 12:07 PM
To: Robert's New iPad <mgbobh at gmail.com>
Cc: mgs at autox.team.net
Subject: [Mgs] Old Car Radios

Bob,

Your radio story reminds me of the following:

1. During half of my student days, I drove a 1972 Sunbeam Sceptre (similar to a Hillman Hunter, you can google that).

    That was until 1981, when I graduated and started working. In those days, it was not done, as a sales rep, to drive a 10-yr old car.

    So I bought a Peugeot 504, archetypical for a sales rep in those days.

    Since the Sunbeam's manufacturer had gone belly up and, by consequence, the resale value was very very low, 

   and the car looked still quite good, I decided to not trade it in but just keep it.

    Fast Forward 30+ years: I got the car running again and nowadays make occasional trips with it, 

    like e.g. a camping trip to the South of England with my son.   

    Three things that I noticed when I drove this car first time after so many years:

   a. The steering wheel rim is very thin;

   b. Panorama view: no thick posts between windscreen and doors etc.

   c. The (Grundig, upmarket for its days) AM/FM monaural radio sounds really terrible when compared to more modern gear.

2. In the late seventies, I worked for three months as a trainee at Televerket, the Swedish telephone company.

     Of course, my internship required that I do something scientific, but due to poor organisation by my employer, a state enterprise, 

     I could not work for weeks at the project that I came for.

    So, colleagues came by and asked me if I could repair their record players, stereo's, car radios etcetera. 

    Now, this was not a skill I had any experience with, but at that age you learn quickly.

    These were the days before Internet or even telefax. 

    But, when you grab a telephone and ask the manufacturer to send some circuit diagrams by mail, 

    they were really very eager to assist such an important institution like the Swedish Telecom authority.

    So, I repaired a lot of electronics stuff then, and learned a lot in the process.

    One day, I had a small problem with the Sunbeam, no output from the alternator (Lucas 16 ACR). 

    Not very nice to  work on, when it is minus 25 degrees Centigrade outside.

    No problem: I could easily drive the car into the Televerket laboratory after working hours 

    and replace the carbon brushes that my brother had sent me by mail from Holland.

Cheers

Bert  

Op 30-11-2020 om 14:17 schreef Robert's New iPad:

   The rebuilt starter should be on its way to another 40 years of reliable operation.  

   My 1972 ‘British Leyland’ radio, AM/FM, monophonic, was taken to a repair shop Saturday for help. It had emitted a hot-electronics smell and gone silent a week before.  Some research found that Motorola made radios for US dealers to install in Jaguars, Triumphs and MGs.  This seems to be one, and the shop may be able to restore this one to its original low-quality sound.

Bob

On Nov 30, 2020, at 8:10 AM, <h.duinhoven at planet.nl <mailto:h.duinhoven at planet.nl> > <h.duinhoven at planet.nl <mailto:h.duinhoven at planet.nl> > wrote:

Here’s the latest update.

A local workshop has overhauled the starter. 

New brushes, commutator flattened on a lathe etc. new bearings and Bendix.

Placed the starter back in the GT and it runs as new – starts well again!

A nice tour in the late November sun was the reward.

As salt has been sprayed over the roads after the first freezing nights, the GT remains inside till spring.

Battery on the tender…

Time for the other classics (3 Puch mopeds from the early seventies).

Thank you for all good advices. 

Cheers,

Hans

71 BGT

Van: Mgs <mgs-bounces at autox.team.net <mailto:mgs-bounces at autox.team.net> > Namens h.duinhoven at planet.nl <mailto:h.duinhoven at planet.nl> 
Verzonden: donderdag 19 november 2020 20:12
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Onderwerp: Re: [Mgs] Slow cranking, was Siphoning Gas

I have tested the starter outside of the car. Bendix works well, but motor runs poorly with lots of sparking over the brushes. 

So I took your advice and it is now at the local repair shop. They’ll disassemble it first, in order to see it is feasible to do a repair, or a new starter is better.

Cheers,

Hans

Van: Mgs <mgs-bounces at autox.team.net <mailto:mgs-bounces at autox.team.net> > Namens Richard Lindsay
Verzonden: zondag 15 november 2020 14:57
Aan: Hans Duinhoven <h.duinhoven at planet.nl <mailto:h.duinhoven at planet.nl> >
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Onderwerp: Re: [Mgs] Slow cranking, was Siphoning Gas

My vote is to have your local shop do the rebuild. Turn the commutator on the lathe and replace the brushes.

On Sun, Nov 15, 2020, 7:48 AM <h.duinhoven at planet.nl <mailto:h.duinhoven at planet.nl> > wrote:

I measured the voltage on the posts while cranking = 10,5 volts. It is on a digital meter, so I wonder if that’s a good value.

The same value is measured on the starter ingoing post.

So no tension loss on the electrical circuits.

Now there is a discussion:

Repair the starter or buy a new one.

High torque starter = € 325,00, which is pricy

Original starter on exchange base = € 200,00

New starter Powerlite = € 239,00

New starter looking like a Lucas (white labelled) = € 135,00

https://www.octagonparts.nl/product-categorie/mgb/electrical-mgb/starting-system-mgb-electrical-mgb/ 

https://www.angloparts.com/en/catalogues/part/26883/082.024 

There is a local electrical car parts repair shop, where the alternator has been repaired +/- 10 years ago.

They did a good job.

I assume they can fix the starter as well, but what is better – a new one (Angloparts = € 152 or € 135,00 at octagonparts) or have the original repaired…

Cheers,

Hans 

Van: PaulHunt73 <paulhunt73 at virginmedia.com <mailto:paulhunt73 at virginmedia.com> > 
Verzonden: dinsdag 10 november 2020 11:41
Aan: h.duinhoven at planet.nl <mailto:h.duinhoven at planet.nl> 
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Onderwerp: Re: [Mgs] Slow cranking, was Siphoning Gas

Yes, measure the voltage right on the battery posts (adding the two voltages together if twin 6v batteries) when cranking, then compare that with the voltage at the battery cable stud on the solenoid and starter body when cranking.  The difference between the two is what is being lost in the connections, a volt or so is normal but it shouldn't be much more than that.

If you get much less than 10v at the battery posts then that is the problem.

PaulH.

----- Original Message ----- 

Next job is the slow starter motor. 

I already cleaned the battery posts clamps and the post of the battery to chassis cable.

Also cleaned thoroughly the chassis to engine cable. 

Nothing helped so far.

So next will be verifying the battery voltage when cranking. I assume it will be o.k. as the battery is new.

Following step will be measuring the voltage over the starter motor +12V to the engine.

When o.k., the starter is suspect. As it never was overhauled, this is logical.

Nice winter job.

Van: Mgs <mgs-bounces at autox.team.net <mailto:mgs-bounces at autox.team.net> > Namens Dan DiBiase
Verzonden: donderdag 22 oktober 2020 22:26
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Onderwerp: Re: [Mgs] Siphoning Gas

OMG, duh! Thanks to all that replied with this excellent (and obvious, now!) advice..............................

Dan D

http://dandibiase.cbintouch.com/

On Thu, Oct 22, 2020 at 4:13 PM Richard Lindsay <richardolindsay at gmail.com <mailto:richardolindsay at gmail.com> > wrote:

I had the same problem. I disconnected the fuel hose, added a a long bit of hose and with the coil disconnected, used the fuel pump to pump old fuel into jugs.

On Thu, Oct 22, 2020, 3:02 PM Dan DiBiase <dan.dibiase at gmail.com <mailto:dan.dibiase at gmail.com> > wrote:

Hi all.... My '76B, which was off the road for 5 years, was recently returned to me from the shop. They added some new gas but did not siphon out the 5 year old gas (which was just under 1/2 tank when I had it towed in. The car is running pretty rough so I want to siphon out most of the gas before I fill it up. It is currently showing as just under 1/2 tank, so around 6 gallons or a little less (assuming gauge accuracy). 

I was able to pump out about 2 gallons but am wondering if the interior of the tank is baffled, as I can't seem to move the hose beyond a certain area and it's not sucking up any additional gas. Would really like to remove a couple more gallons before I fill it up.

Thx, 

Dan D

'76B-  Getting There

'65B - Waiting It's Turn

Central NJ USA

http://dandibiase.cbintouch.com/

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