[Mgs] Mgs Digest, Vol 115, Issue 5

Sat Dec 10 04:01:15 MST 2016

Mot rules will vary from country to country, even if they are in the EU (or
still are for the Brits amongst us.)

In the Netherlands rules will vary also depending on the year the car has
been manufactured.

My 1971 GT does not have to comply with any pollution regulations f.i.

I think it is from 1974 the regulations on this subject become firmer per
later year the car is made.

Going further on this pollution subject:

The city of Amsterdam will ban 2-stroke mopeds and moped scooters as per
2018.

As proud owner of three of the early 1970 hippy Puch moped bikes, I feel
pretty bad under this.

The pollution one airplane leaving Amsterdam airport will generates a
thousand fold more pollution.

Cheers,

Hans

71 BGT

Van: Mgs [mailto:mgs-bounces at autox.team.net] Namens Craig Tufty via Mgs
Verzonden: vrijdag 9 december 2016 1:28
Aan: mgs at autox.team.net
Onderwerp: Re: [Mgs] Mgs Digest, Vol 115, Issue 5

70b

Is there a detailed list available of what the MOT looks for on a B?

Thanks

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Today's Topics:

  1. Wire wheel replacing spokes (Hans Duinhoven)
  2. Re: Wire wheel replacing spokes (Max Heim)
  3. Re: Wire wheel replacing spokes (PaulHunt73)
  4. Re: Wire wheel replacing spokes (Dan DiBiase)
  5. Re: Wire wheel replacing spokes (PaulHunt73)
  6. Re: Wire wheel replacing spokes (Max Heim)

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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2016 22:45:45 +0100
From: "Hans Duinhoven" <h.duinhoven at planet.nl>
To: <mgs at autox.team.net>
Subject: [Mgs] Wire wheel replacing spokes
Message-ID: <004b01d250d3$441a1fd0$cc4e5f70$@planet.nl>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

I've got two chromed wire wheels, which did not pass the MOT test.

There are several lose spokes.

All nipples are solid, so is it worth while to replace all spokes (buy a
replacement set)?

I'm not afraid to do the replacement work myself, as I have experience with
many mopeds and bikes.

The wheels still are pretty nice.

Looking to a spare set of spokes (40 and 20) it seems a complete set becomes
far too expensive.

Am I right?

Cheers,

Hans Duinhoven

71 BGT

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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2016 17:58:39 -0800
From: Max Heim <mvheim at sonic.net>
To: MG List <mgs at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Mgs] Wire wheel replacing spokes
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You are right ? a complete set of spokes far exceeds the cost of a new
chrome wheel. But it?s not difficult to replace individual spokes. I have
done it many times over the years. And that is definitely cheaper than
buying a new wheel very time you break a spoke or two. No reason to replace
them all ? just ones that are broken or noticeably rusted.

?

Max Heim
mvheim at sonic.net

On Dec 7, 2016, at 1:45 PM, Hans Duinhoven via Mgs <mgs at autox.team.net>
wrote:

I?ve got two chromed wire wheels, which did not pass the MOT test.
There are several lose spokes.
All nipples are solid, so is it worth while to replace all spokes (buy a
replacement set)?
I?m not afraid to do the replacement work myself, as I have experience with
many mopeds and bikes.
The wheels still are pretty nice.

Looking to a spare set of spokes (40 and 20) it seems a complete set becomes
far too expensive.
Am I right?

Cheers,

Hans Duinhoven
71 BGT

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Message: 3
Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2016 08:40:25 -0000
From: "PaulHunt73" <paulhunt73 at virginmedia.com>
To: "Hans Duinhoven" <h.duinhoven at planet.nl>,  <mgs at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Mgs] Wire wheel replacing spokes
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Same as Max, just replace the ones that need to be.  I've had to replace
single spokes a number of times, always the long ones.  You do need to
unscrew the nipple on an adjacent spoke to be able to swing it out of the
way to get those back in, and sometimes one on the other side as well, it
depends on the overall length of the new spoke and how far the thickened
shank extends.  So how much work it is going to be depends on whether those
adjacent spokes have seized nipples.  More info here:
http://www.mgb-stuff.org.uk/rs.htm#1

PaulH.
 ----- Original Message ----- 
 I've got two chromed wire wheels, which did not pass the MOT test.
 There are several lose spokes.

 All nipples are solid, so is it worth while to replace all spokes (buy a
replacement set)?

 I'm not afraid to do the replacement work myself, as I have experience with
many mopeds and bikes.
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Message: 4
Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2016 12:27:36 +0000 (UTC)
From: Dan DiBiase <d_dibiase at yahoo.com>
To: Hans Duinhoven <h.duinhoven at planet.nl>,  "mgs at autox.team.net"
            <mgs at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Mgs] Wire wheel replacing spokes
Message-ID: <2009046745.443967.1481200056669 at mail.yahoo.com>
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Do they check every spoke when they do the MOT? I can't imagine anyone in
the US checking for something like that during our 'inspections'. Here in
NJ, they don't evendo safety inspections any longer, just emissions testing.
Dan D'76B, '65B (both spokeless)Central NJ USA

     From: Hans Duinhoven via Mgs <mgs at autox.team.net>
To: mgs at autox.team.net 
Sent: Wednesday, December 7, 2016 4:45 PM
Subject: [Mgs] Wire wheel replacing spokes

I?ve got two chromed wire wheels, which
did not pass the MOT test.There are several lose spokes.All nipples are
solid, so is it worth while to re
place all spokes (buy a replacement set)?I?m not afraid to do the
replacement work myself, as I have experience with many mopeds and bikes.The
wheels still are pretty nice. ?Looking to a spare set of spokes (40 and 20)
it seems a complete set becomes far too expensive.Am I right? ?Cheers, ?Hans
Duinhoven71 BGT

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Message: 5
Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2016 14:06:52 -0000
From: "PaulHunt73" <paulhunt73 at virginmedia.com>
To: "Dan DiBiase" <d_dibiase at yahoo.com>, "Hans Duinhoven"
            <h.duinhoven at planet.nl>, <mgs at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Mgs] Wire wheel replacing spokes
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I've never known them check the spokes in the UK, although the test does
call for it in 1b:  http://www.motuk.co.uk/manual_420.htm

An ex-MOTer pal says it is a visual only (like on BMW spoked alloys)
although a very keen tester may ping them - all 240/320 of them.  In my
experience when they break the break is inside the hub, so only detectable
if you do ping or wiggle them.

PaulH.
 ----- Original Message ----- 

 Do they check every spoke when they do the MOT? I can't imagine anyone in
the US checking for something like that during our 'inspections'. Here in
NJ, they don't even
 do safety inspections any longer, just emissions testing.
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Message: 6
Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2016 09:33:13 -0800
From: Max Heim <mvheim at sonic.net>
To: MG List <mgs at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Mgs] Wire wheel replacing spokes
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Yes, the ping test is pretty tedious?

I find they either break just below the head (inside the hub, as you said)
or on the threaded end just outside the nipple (where they often rust), and
this is usually only when you are trying to adjust them.

--
Max Heim
mvheim at sonic.net

On Dec 8, 2016, at 6:06 AM, PaulHunt73 via Mgs <mgs at autox.team.net> wrote:

I've never known them check the spokes in the UK, although the test does
call for it in 1b:  http://www.motuk.co.uk/manual_420.htm
<http://www.motuk.co.uk/manual_420.htm>

An ex-MOTer pal says it is a visual only (like on BMW spoked alloys)
although a very keen tester may ping them - all 240/320 of them.  In my
experience when they break the break is inside the hub, so only detectable
if you do ping or wiggle them.

PaulH.

----- Original Message -----

Do they check every spoke when they do the MOT? I can't imagine anyone in
the US checking for something like that during our 'inspections'. Here in
NJ, they don't even
do safety inspections any longer, just emissions testing.

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