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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=NL link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Mot rules will vary from country to country, even if they are in the EU (or still are for the Brits amongst us…)<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>In the Netherlands rules will vary also depending on the year the car has been manufactured.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>My 1971 GT does not have to comply with any pollution regulations f.i.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I think it is from 1974 the regulations on this subject become firmer per later year the car is made.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Going further on this pollution subject:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>The city of Amsterdam will ban 2-stroke mopeds and moped scooters as per 2018.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>As proud owner of three of the early 1970 hippy Puch moped bikes, I feel pretty bad under this.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>The pollution one airplane leaving Amsterdam airport will generates a thousand fold more pollution.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Cheers,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Hans<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>71 BGT<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>Van:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Mgs [<a href="mailto:mgs-bounces@autox.team.net">mailto:mgs-bounces@autox.team.net</a>] <b>Namens </b>Craig Tufty via Mgs<br><b>Verzonden:</b> vrijdag 9 december 2016 1:28<br><b>Aan:</b> <a href="mailto:mgs@autox.team.net">mgs@autox.team.net</a><br><b>Onderwerp:</b> Re: [Mgs] Mgs Digest, Vol 115, Issue 5<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>70b<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Is there a detailed list available of what the MOT looks for on a B?<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>Thanks<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Dec 8, 2016, at 2:00 PM, <a href="mailto:mgs-request@autox.team.net">mgs-request@autox.team.net</a> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>Send Mgs mailing list submissions to<br><span class=apple-tab-span> </span><a href="mailto:mgs@autox.team.net">mgs@autox.team.net</a><br><br>To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit<br><span class=apple-tab-span> </span><a href="http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs">http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs</a><br>or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to<br><span class=apple-tab-span> </span><a href="mailto:mgs-request@autox.team.net">mgs-request@autox.team.net</a><br><br>You can reach the person managing the list at<br><span 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Wire wheel replacing spokes (Hans Duinhoven)<br> 2. Re: Wire wheel replacing spokes (Max Heim)<br> 3. Re: Wire wheel replacing spokes (PaulHunt73)<br> 4. Re: Wire wheel replacing spokes (Dan DiBiase)<br> 5. Re: Wire wheel replacing spokes (PaulHunt73)<br> 6. Re: Wire wheel replacing spokes (Max Heim)<br><br><br>----------------------------------------------------------------------<br><br>Message: 1<br>Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2016 22:45:45 +0100<br>From: "Hans Duinhoven" <<a href="mailto:h.duinhoven@planet.nl">h.duinhoven@planet.nl</a>><br>To: <<a href="mailto:mgs@autox.team.net">mgs@autox.team.net</a>><br>Subject: [Mgs] Wire wheel replacing spokes<br>Message-ID: <<a href="mailto:004b01d250d3$441a1fd0$cc4e5f70$@planet.nl">004b01d250d3$441a1fd0$cc4e5f70$@planet.nl</a>><br>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"<br><br>I've got two chromed wire wheels, which did not pass the MOT test.<br><br>There are several lose spokes.<br><br>All nipples are solid, so is it worth while to replace all spokes (buy a<br>replacement set)?<br><br>I'm not afraid to do the replacement work myself, as I have experience with<br>many mopeds and bikes.<br><br>The wheels still are pretty nice.<br><br><br><br>Looking to a spare set of spokes (40 and 20) it seems a complete set becomes<br>far too expensive.<br><br>Am I right?<br><br><br><br>Cheers,<br><br><br><br>Hans Duinhoven<br><br>71 BGT<br><br><br><br>---<br>Dit e-mailbericht is gecontroleerd op virussen met Avast antivirussoftware.<br><a href="https://www.avast.com/antivirus">https://www.avast.com/antivirus</a><br>-------------- next part --------------<br>An HTML attachment was scrubbed...<br>URL: <<a href="http://autox.team.net/pipermail/mgs/attachments/20161207/63c5897e/attachment-0001.html">http://autox.team.net/pipermail/mgs/attachments/20161207/63c5897e/attachment-0001.html</a>><br><br>------------------------------<br><br>Message: 2<br>Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2016 17:58:39 -0800<br>From: Max Heim <<a href="mailto:mvheim@sonic.net">mvheim@sonic.net</a>><br>To: MG List <<a href="mailto:mgs@autox.team.net">mgs@autox.team.net</a>><br>Subject: Re: [Mgs] Wire wheel replacing spokes<br>Message-ID: <<a href="mailto:1FDC62D2-4DB6-469E-8E42-500ECE757579@sonic.net">1FDC62D2-4DB6-469E-8E42-500ECE757579@sonic.net</a>><br>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"<br><br>You are right ? a complete set of spokes far exceeds the cost of a new chrome wheel. But it?s not difficult to replace individual spokes. I have done it many times over the years. And that is definitely cheaper than buying a new wheel very time you break a spoke or two. No reason to replace them all ? just ones that are broken or noticeably rusted.<br><br><br>?<br><br>Max Heim<br><a href="mailto:mvheim@sonic.net">mvheim@sonic.net</a><br><br><br><br><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>On Dec 7, 2016, at 1:45 PM, Hans Duinhoven via Mgs <<a href="mailto:mgs@autox.team.net">mgs@autox.team.net</a>> wrote:<br><br>I?ve got two chromed wire wheels, which did not pass the MOT test.<br>There are several lose spokes.<br>All nipples are solid, so is it worth while to replace all spokes (buy a replacement set)?<br>I?m not afraid to do the replacement work myself, as I have experience with many mopeds and bikes.<br>The wheels still are pretty nice.<br><br>Looking to a spare set of spokes (40 and 20) it seems a complete set becomes far too expensive.<br>Am I right?<br><br>Cheers,<br><br>Hans Duinhoven<br>71 BGT<br><br><br><<a href="https://www.avast.com/antivirus">https://www.avast.com/antivirus</a>><span class=apple-tab-span> </span><br>Dit e-mailbericht is gecontroleerd op virussen met Avast antivirussoftware. <br><a href="http://www.avast.com">www.avast.com</a> <<a href="https://www.avast.com/antivirus">https://www.avast.com/antivirus</a>><br>_______________________________________________<br><br><a href="mailto:Mgs@autox.team.net">Mgs@autox.team.net</a> <<a href="mailto:Mgs@autox.team.net">mailto:Mgs@autox.team.net</a>><br>Donate: <a href="http://www.team.net/donate.html">http://www.team.net/donate.html</a> <<a href="http://www.team.net/donate.html">http://www.team.net/donate.html</a>><br>Suggested annual donation $12.75<br>Archive: <a href="http://www.team.net/archive">http://www.team.net/archive</a> <<a href="http://www.team.net/archive">http://www.team.net/archive</a>><br>Forums: <a href="http://www.team.net/forums">http://www.team.net/forums</a> <<a href="http://www.team.net/forums">http://www.team.net/forums</a>><br>Unsubscribe: <a href="http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mvheim@sonic.net">http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mvheim@sonic.net</a> <<a href="http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mvheim@sonic.net">http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mvheim@sonic.net</a>><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>-------------- next part --------------<br>An HTML attachment was scrubbed...<br>URL: <<a href="http://autox.team.net/pipermail/mgs/attachments/20161207/2f642d24/attachment-0001.html">http://autox.team.net/pipermail/mgs/attachments/20161207/2f642d24/attachment-0001.html</a>><br><br>------------------------------<br><br>Message: 3<br>Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2016 08:40:25 -0000<br>From: "PaulHunt73" <<a href="mailto:paulhunt73@virginmedia.com">paulhunt73@virginmedia.com</a>><br>To: "Hans Duinhoven" <<a href="mailto:h.duinhoven@planet.nl">h.duinhoven@planet.nl</a>>,<span class=apple-tab-span> </span><<a href="mailto:mgs@autox.team.net">mgs@autox.team.net</a>><br>Subject: Re: [Mgs] Wire wheel replacing spokes<br>Message-ID: <766A5A3A80254CECA6BB01720AC7ECC5@paul><br>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"<br><br>Same as Max, just replace the ones that need to be. I've had to replace single spokes a number of times, always the long ones. You do need to unscrew the nipple on an adjacent spoke to be able to swing it out of the way to get those back in, and sometimes one on the other side as well, it depends on the overall length of the new spoke and how far the thickened shank extends. So how much work it is going to be depends on whether those adjacent spokes have seized nipples. More info here: <a href="http://www.mgb-stuff.org.uk/rs.htm#1">http://www.mgb-stuff.org.uk/rs.htm#1</a><br><br>PaulH.<br> ----- Original Message ----- <br> I've got two chromed wire wheels, which did not pass the MOT test.<br> There are several lose spokes.<br><br> All nipples are solid, so is it worth while to replace all spokes (buy a replacement set)?<br><br> I'm not afraid to do the replacement work myself, as I have experience with many mopeds and bikes.<br>-------------- next part --------------<br>An HTML attachment was scrubbed...<br>URL: <<a href="http://autox.team.net/pipermail/mgs/attachments/20161208/a91a93eb/attachment-0001.html">http://autox.team.net/pipermail/mgs/attachments/20161208/a91a93eb/attachment-0001.html</a>><br><br>------------------------------<br><br>Message: 4<br>Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2016 12:27:36 +0000 (UTC)<br>From: Dan DiBiase <<a href="mailto:d_dibiase@yahoo.com">d_dibiase@yahoo.com</a>><br>To: Hans Duinhoven <<a href="mailto:h.duinhoven@planet.nl">h.duinhoven@planet.nl</a>>, "<a href="mailto:mgs@autox.team.net">mgs@autox.team.net</a>"<br><span class=apple-tab-span> </span><<a href="mailto:mgs@autox.team.net">mgs@autox.team.net</a>><br>Subject: Re: [Mgs] Wire wheel replacing spokes<br>Message-ID: <<a href="mailto:2009046745.443967.1481200056669@mail.yahoo.com">2009046745.443967.1481200056669@mail.yahoo.com</a>><br>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"<br><br>Do they check every spoke when they do the MOT? I can't imagine anyone in the US checking for something like that during our 'inspections'. Here in NJ, they don't evendo safety inspections any longer, just emissions testing.<br>Dan D'76B, '65B (both spokeless)Central NJ USA<br><br> From: Hans Duinhoven via Mgs <<a href="mailto:mgs@autox.team.net">mgs@autox.team.net</a>><br>To: <a href="mailto:mgs@autox.team.net">mgs@autox.team.net</a> <br>Sent: Wednesday, December 7, 2016 4:45 PM<br>Subject: [Mgs] Wire wheel replacing spokes<br><br><!--#yiv2242850276 _filtered #yiv2242850276 {font-family:Calibri;panose-1:2 15 5 2 2 2 4 3 2 4;}#yiv2242850276 #yiv2242850276 p.yiv2242850276MsoNormal, #yiv2242850276 li.yiv2242850276MsoNormal, #yiv2242850276 div.yiv2242850276MsoNormal {margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri", "sans-serif";}#yiv2242850276 a:link, #yiv2242850276 span.yiv2242850276MsoHyperlink {color:blue;text-decoration:underline;}#yiv2242850276 a:visited, #yiv2242850276 span.yiv2242850276MsoHyperlinkFollowed {color:purple;text-decoration:underline;}#yiv2242850276 span.yiv2242850276E-mailStijl17 {font-family:"Calibri", "sans-serif";color:windowtext;}#yiv2242850276 .yiv2242850276MsoChpDefault {font-family:"Calibri", "sans-serif";} _filtered #yiv2242850276 {margin:70.85pt 70.85pt 70.85pt 70.85pt;}#yiv2242850276 div.yiv2242850276WordSection1 {}-->I?ve got two chromed wire wheels, which did not pass the MOT test.There are several lose spokes.All nipples are solid, so is it worth while to re<br>place all spokes (buy a replacement set)?I?m not afraid to do the replacement work myself, as I have experience with many mopeds and bikes.The wheels still are pretty nice. ?Looking to a spare set of spokes (40 and 20) it seems a complete set becomes far too expensive.Am I right? ?Cheers, ?Hans Duinhoven71 BGT <br><br><br>| | Dit e-mailbericht is gecontroleerd op virussen met Avast antivirussoftware. <br><a href="http://www.avast.com">www.avast.com</a> |<br><br><br><br>_______________________________________________<br><br><a href="mailto:Mgs@autox.team.net">Mgs@autox.team.net</a><br>Donate: <a href="http://www.team.net/donate.html">http://www.team.net/donate.html</a><br>Suggested annual donation? $12.75<br>Archive: <a href="http://www.team.net/archive">http://www.team.net/archive</a><br>Forums: <a href="http://www.team.net/forums">http://www.team.net/forums</a><br>Unsubscribe: <a href="http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/d_dibiase@yahoo.com">http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/d_dibiase@yahoo.com</a><br><br><br><br>-------------- next part --------------<br>An HTML attachment was scrubbed...<br>URL: <<a href="http://autox.team.net/pipermail/mgs/attachments/20161208/e450d0ce/attachment-0001.html">http://autox.team.net/pipermail/mgs/attachments/20161208/e450d0ce/attachment-0001.html</a>><br><br>------------------------------<br><br>Message: 5<br>Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2016 14:06:52 -0000<br>From: "PaulHunt73" <<a href="mailto:paulhunt73@virginmedia.com">paulhunt73@virginmedia.com</a>><br>To: "Dan DiBiase" <<a href="mailto:d_dibiase@yahoo.com">d_dibiase@yahoo.com</a>>, "Hans Duinhoven"<br><span class=apple-tab-span> </span><<a href="mailto:h.duinhoven@planet.nl">h.duinhoven@planet.nl</a>>, <<a href="mailto:mgs@autox.team.net">mgs@autox.team.net</a>><br>Subject: Re: [Mgs] Wire wheel replacing spokes<br>Message-ID: <44FACE80F0D54D8C83D2B83B91F2C2ED@paul><br>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"<br><br>I've never known them check the spokes in the UK, although the test does call for it in 1b: <a href="http://www.motuk.co.uk/manual_420.htm">http://www.motuk.co.uk/manual_420.htm</a><br><br>An ex-MOTer pal says it is a visual only (like on BMW spoked alloys) although a very keen tester may ping them - all 240/320 of them. In my experience when they break the break is inside the hub, so only detectable if you do ping or wiggle them.<br><br>PaulH.<br> ----- Original Message ----- <br><br> Do they check every spoke when they do the MOT? I can't imagine anyone in the US checking for something like that during our 'inspections'. Here in NJ, they don't even<br> do safety inspections any longer, just emissions testing.<br>-------------- next part --------------<br>An HTML attachment was scrubbed...<br>URL: <<a href="http://autox.team.net/pipermail/mgs/attachments/20161208/c9c0117c/attachment-0001.html">http://autox.team.net/pipermail/mgs/attachments/20161208/c9c0117c/attachment-0001.html</a>><br><br>------------------------------<br><br>Message: 6<br>Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2016 09:33:13 -0800<br>From: Max Heim <<a href="mailto:mvheim@sonic.net">mvheim@sonic.net</a>><br>To: MG List <<a href="mailto:mgs@autox.team.net">mgs@autox.team.net</a>><br>Subject: Re: [Mgs] Wire wheel replacing spokes<br>Message-ID: <<a href="mailto:BD814550-DCCD-4F8C-945F-75574C517B55@sonic.net">BD814550-DCCD-4F8C-945F-75574C517B55@sonic.net</a>><br>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"<br><br>Yes, the ping test is pretty tedious?<br><br>I find they either break just below the head (inside the hub, as you said) or on the threaded end just outside the nipple (where they often rust), and this is usually only when you are trying to adjust them.<br><br>--<br>Max Heim<br><a href="mailto:mvheim@sonic.net">mvheim@sonic.net</a><br><br><br><br><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>On Dec 8, 2016, at 6:06 AM, PaulHunt73 via Mgs <<a href="mailto:mgs@autox.team.net">mgs@autox.team.net</a>> wrote:<br><br>I've never known them check the spokes in the UK, although the test does call for it in 1b: <a href="http://www.motuk.co.uk/manual_420.htm">http://www.motuk.co.uk/manual_420.htm</a> <<a href="http://www.motuk.co.uk/manual_420.htm">http://www.motuk.co.uk/manual_420.htm</a>><br><br>An ex-MOTer pal says it is a visual only (like on BMW spoked alloys) although a very keen tester may ping them - all 240/320 of them. In my experience when they break the break is inside the hub, so only detectable if you do ping or wiggle them.<br><br>PaulH.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>----- Original Message -----<br><br>Do they check every spoke when they do the MOT? I can't imagine anyone in the US checking for something like that during our 'inspections'. 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