[Healeys] 100M Back on BaT

[Bob Spidell]

I see this was a N/S at $92K 'reserve not met.'  Apparently, owner still 
thinks he deserves a 'real 100M' (minus correct chassis, carburetors, 
distributor, ...) price.

$92K would be a proper price for a really nice BN2.

bs


On 12/28/2023 5:41 AM, josef-eckert at t-online.de wrote:
>
> So its a rebuilt BN1 and one used parts of a BN2 (100M) to complete 
> it. At the end the one who repuilt it decided to swap the original VIN 
> tag of the BN1 against the one of the perhaps scrapped 100M he used 
> the parts of for his rebuild.
>
> Josef Eckert
>
> Germany
>
> -----Original-Nachricht-----
>
> Betreff: Re: [Healeys] 100M Back on BaT
>
> Datum: 2023-12-28T13:23:57+0100
>
> Von: "S and T Miller" <stmiller96 at hotmail.com>
>
> An: "josef-eckert at t-online.de" <josef-eckert at t-online.de>, 
> "HealeyRick" <healeyrik at gmail.com>
>
> The car on offer does have some valid M parts. Vin tag, cockpit trim, 
> boot. The engine I'd put a question mark next to because of the repro 
> tag, possibly incorrect carbs and incorrect distributor. I'm not 
> really familiar with original cold air boxes, but it did appear old.
> I also felt IMO that the bonnet looked suspiciously clean and fresh. 
> The boot showed no evidence of the prop mount being removed and the 
> boot itself showed some signs of aging prior to restoration (namely 
> some pitting). I can't say that same about the bonnet in terms of the 
> aging. The area where the numbers are stamped has a support behind it. 
> So in theory the number could be cut out of an original bonnet and 
> grafted into another new bonnet, but this is just speculation and 
> would take carefully scutiny to determine.
> The Millers
>
> "Always drive them, but remember each drive in an antique car is a 
> test drive."
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> *From:* josef-eckert at t-online.de <josef-eckert at t-online.de>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 27, 2023 2:58 PM
> *To:* S and T Miller <stmiller96 at hotmail.com>; HealeyRick 
> <healeyrik at gmail.com>
> *Cc:* healeys at autox.team.net <healeys at autox.team.net>
> *Subject:* AW: [Healeys] 100M Back on BaT
>
> To understand it. What is the difference between this 100M car on 
> offer and a 100 BN1 modified with a 100 Le Mans kit, which has been 
> given a different identity through a swapped chassis number?
>
> For me both cars are very similar.
>
> Josef Eckert
>
> Germany
>
> -----Original-Nachricht-----
>
> Betreff: Re: [Healeys] 100M Back on BaT
>
> Datum: 2023-12-27T20:48:57+0100
>
> Von: "S and T Miller" <stmiller96 at hotmail.com>
>
> An: "HealeyRick" <healeyrik at gmail.com>
>
> Very true. From talking with Mike, I really don't think he initially 
> knew about the chassis and possible motor/ carb questions. He really 
> doesn't have a good understanding of Healeys. And I even can 
> understand to a point that he might be trying to even convince himself 
> that it might be more than it actually is. But how he has represented 
> it after receiving a good assessment,  just sits a bit wrong with me.
> Anyway it may never be known who or when the "conversion" took place. 
> But the idea that the front cross bracing was bent to look like a M 
> cam was installed, and the two under the dash BN1 OD relay holes (4) 
> being so carefully concealed, tells me someone was trying to make it 
> look legit.
> And I quess it just will be determined by the hammer price how much of 
> it really matters. It is a sharp looking car.
> The Millers
>
> "Always drive them, but remember each drive in an antique car is a 
> test drive."
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> *From:* HealeyRick <healeyrik at gmail.com>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 27, 2023 11:57 AM
> *To:* S and T Miller <stmiller96 at hotmail.com>
> *Cc:* bspidell at comcast.net <bspidell at comcast.net>; 
> healeys at autox.team.net <healeys at autox.team.net>
> *Subject:* Re: [Healeys] 100M Back on BaT
> Interesting question about misrepresentation. Who misrepresented what 
> to whom? Did the restorer misrepresent a 100M with a BN1 frame and 
> possible replacement motor to the original buyer who was clueless or 
> was it the original buyer that was doing the misrepresenting? There's 
> probably some grist for a lawyer's mill in all this. (retired lawyer, 
> I can't help thinking this way) Maybe I should start one of those "The 
> Healey Lawyer" columns in the /Marque?/
> //
> /Rick Neville, aka "HealeyRick"/
>
> On Wed, Dec 27, 2023 at 8:41 AM S and T Miller 
> <stmiller96 at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>     Bob, I agree with you. And it seems he is trying to cast some
>     doubt on it being a BN1 chassis. Saying the firewall is a
>     combination of both BN1 and BN2 is plain false. Since I was the
>     one who showed him in person why it was a BN1 chassis he wanted to
>     use my name saying we "believe" its a BN1 chassis,  and I replied
>     that "believe" doesn't categorize my opinion. That everything
>     points to being a BN1 chassis and nothing to a BN2.
>     Intesting note on the added restoration photos, #311 clearly shows
>     the cut out BN1 gearbox mount in the restoration photo. Odd it is
>     on a painted frame, but the BN2 one must have been welded in
>     later. I'd thought maybe it was of a different frame, but the
>     front frame extensions are missing in the pictured one as we'll,
>     so probably not.
>     I realize he is trying to sell a car that he bought that someone
>     misrepresented to him,  but I kinda feel not so great about his
>     representation of the car on BAT. Again it is a nice car overall.
>
>     Message: 2
>     Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2023 03:45:57 -0800
>     From: Bob Spidell <bspidell at comcast.net>
>     To: healeys at autox.team.net
>     Subject: Re: [Healeys] 100M Back on BaT
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>     The expos? of the incorrect frame isn't stated in the text, but buried
>     in the video according to a commenter (I didn't watch it). It
>     appears to
>     me the seller is attempting to straddle an ethical fence, apparently
>     with BaT's blessing
>     The Millers
>
>     "Always drive them, but remember each drive in an antique car is a
>     test drive."
>
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