[Healeys] 100M Back on BaT

Thu Jan 4 19:58:44 MST 2024

He is a dealer and we don't know what he paid for the car. Maybe he's just
trying to avoid taking a loss.

Rick Neville aka "HealeyRick"

On Thu, Jan 4, 2024 at 3:36 PM Bob Spidell <bspidell at comcast.net> wrote:

> I see this was a N/S at $92K 'reserve not met.'  Apparently, owner still
> thinks he deserves a 'real 100M' (minus correct chassis, carburetors,
> distributor, ...) price.
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> $92K would be a proper price for a really nice BN2.
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> bs
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> On 12/28/2023 5:41 AM, josef-eckert at t-online.de wrote:
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> So its a rebuilt BN1 and one used parts of a BN2 (100M) to complete it. At
> the end the one who repuilt it decided to swap the original VIN tag of the
> BN1 against the one of the perhaps scrapped 100M he used the parts of for
> his rebuild.
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> Josef Eckert
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> Betreff: Re: [Healeys] 100M Back on BaT
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> Datum: 2023-12-28T13:23:57+0100
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> Von: "S and T Miller" <stmiller96 at hotmail.com> <stmiller96 at hotmail.com>
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> An: "josef-eckert at t-online.de" <josef-eckert at t-online.de>
> <josef-eckert at t-online.de> <josef-eckert at t-online.de>, "HealeyRick"
> <healeyrik at gmail.com> <healeyrik at gmail.com>
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> The car on offer does have some valid M parts. Vin tag, cockpit trim,
> boot. The engine I'd put a question mark next to because of the repro tag,
> possibly incorrect carbs and incorrect distributor. I'm not really familiar
> with original cold air boxes, but it did appear old.
> I also felt IMO that the bonnet looked suspiciously clean and fresh. The
> boot showed no evidence of the prop mount being removed and the boot itself
> showed some signs of aging prior to restoration (namely some pitting). I
> can't say that same about the bonnet in terms of the aging. The area where
> the numbers are stamped has a support behind it. So in theory the number
> could be cut out of an original bonnet and grafted into another new bonnet,
> but this is just speculation and would take carefully scutiny to
> determine.
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> The Millers
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> "Always drive them, but remember each drive in an antique car is a test
> drive."
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> *From:* josef-eckert at t-online.de <josef-eckert at t-online.de>
> <josef-eckert at t-online.de>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 27, 2023 2:58 PM
> *To:* S and T Miller <stmiller96 at hotmail.com> <stmiller96 at hotmail.com>;
> HealeyRick <healeyrik at gmail.com> <healeyrik at gmail.com>
> *Cc:* healeys at autox.team.net <healeys at autox.team.net>
> <healeys at autox.team.net>
> *Subject:* AW: [Healeys] 100M Back on BaT
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> To understand it. What is the difference between this 100M car on offer
> and a 100 BN1 modified with a 100 Le Mans kit, which has been given a
> different identity through a swapped chassis number?
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> For me both cars are very similar.
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> Josef Eckert
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> Betreff: Re: [Healeys] 100M Back on BaT
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> Datum: 2023-12-27T20:48:57+0100
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> Von: "S and T Miller" <stmiller96 at hotmail.com> <stmiller96 at hotmail.com>
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> An: "HealeyRick" <healeyrik at gmail.com> <healeyrik at gmail.com>
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> Very true. From talking with Mike, I really don't think he initially knew
> about the chassis and possible motor/ carb questions. He really doesn't
> have a good understanding of Healeys. And I even can understand to a point
> that he might be trying to even convince himself that it might be more than
> it actually is. But how he has represented it after receiving a good
> assessment,  just sits a bit wrong with me.
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> Anyway it may never be known who or when the "conversion" took place. But
> the idea that the front cross bracing was bent to look like a M cam was
> installed, and the two under the dash BN1 OD relay holes (4) being so
> carefully concealed, tells me someone was trying to make it look legit.
>
> And I quess it just will be determined by the hammer price how much of it
> really matters. It is a sharp looking car.
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> The Millers
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> "Always drive them, but remember each drive in an antique car is a test
> drive."
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> *From:* HealeyRick <healeyrik at gmail.com> <healeyrik at gmail.com>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 27, 2023 11:57 AM
> *To:* S and T Miller <stmiller96 at hotmail.com> <stmiller96 at hotmail.com>
> *Cc:* bspidell at comcast.net <bspidell at comcast.net> <bspidell at comcast.net>;
> healeys at autox.team.net <healeys at autox.team.net> <healeys at autox.team.net>
> *Subject:* Re: [Healeys] 100M Back on BaT
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> Interesting question about misrepresentation. Who misrepresented what to
> whom? Did the restorer misrepresent a 100M with a BN1 frame and possible
> replacement motor to the original buyer who was clueless or was it the
> original buyer that was doing the misrepresenting? There's probably some
> grist for a lawyer's mill in all this. (retired lawyer, I can't help
> thinking this way) Maybe I should start one of those "The Healey Lawyer"
> columns in the *Marque?*
>
> *Rick Neville, aka "HealeyRick"*
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> On Wed, Dec 27, 2023 at 8:41 AM S and T Miller <stmiller96 at hotmail.com>
> wrote:
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> Bob, I agree with you. And it seems he is trying to cast some doubt on it
> being a BN1 chassis. Saying the firewall is a combination of both BN1 and
> BN2 is plain false. Since I was the one who showed him in person why it was
> a BN1 chassis he wanted to use my name saying we "believe" its a BN1
> chassis,  and I replied that "believe" doesn't categorize my opinion. That
> everything points to being a BN1 chassis and nothing to a BN2.
> Intesting note on the added restoration photos, #311 clearly shows the cut
> out BN1 gearbox mount in the restoration photo. Odd it is on a painted
> frame, but the BN2 one must have been welded in later. I'd thought maybe it
> was of a different frame, but the front frame extensions are missing in the
> pictured one as we'll, so probably not.
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> I realize he is trying to sell a car that he bought that someone
> misrepresented to him,  but I kinda feel not so great about his
> representation of the car on BAT. Again it is a nice car overall.
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> Message: 2
> Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2023 03:45:57 -0800
> From: Bob Spidell <bspidell at comcast.net>
> To: healeys at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Healeys] 100M Back on BaT
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> The expos? of the incorrect frame isn't stated in the text, but buried
> in the video according to a commenter (I didn't watch it). It appears to
> me the seller is attempting to straddle an ethical fence, apparently
> with BaT's blessing
>
> The Millers
>
> "Always drive them, but remember each drive in an antique car is a test
> drive."
>
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