[Healeys] Low tension Wire
Michael Salter
michaelsalter at gmail.com
Mon Nov 13 07:59:46 MST 2023
There are actually 2 of those wires in most Lucas distributors. 1 connects
the points post on the breaker plate to the low tension terminal and the
other connects the breaker plate itself to the body of the distributor to
provide a reliable ground path.
These wires need to be very flexible as their ends move relative to
each other every time the vacuum advance capsule reacts to changes in
intake vacuum, which is often.
The conductors of the original type are made from braded strands of copper
that are about as thick as a human hair and allow the cable to flex readily
without suffering from metal fatigue and breaking, or restricting the
movement of the breaker plate.
I'll bet that Joe Lucas's boffins spent a very long time coming up with
exactly the right combination of conductor and insulator for the job.
Not a fan for trying to reinvent the wheel.
M
On Mon., Nov. 13, 2023, 1:10 a.m. george mcharris, <gmcharris at hotmail.com>
wrote:
> I just purchased one from Moss and they use a standard wire...It should
> work ?? What say you ??
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> 1. Re: Low tension wire (John Vrugtman)
> 2. Re: Low tension wire (Michael Salter)
> 3. Re: Moss $1300 3.5 ring and pinion (Michael Oritt)
> 4. Re: Moss $1300 3.5 ring and pinion (HealeyRick)
> 5. Re: Moss $1300 3.5 ring and pinion
> (simon.lachlan at alexarevel.plus.com)
> 6. Re: Moss $1300 3.5 ring and pinion (john spaur)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2023 15:59:51 -0500
> From: John Vrugtman <javrugtman at htcnet.org>
> To: healeys at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Healeys] Low tension wire
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> *Now that's perfect example of thinking outside the box; shoe laces for
> ignition wire covers.*
>
> On 11/11/2023 10:19 AM, Michael Salter via Healeys wrote:
> > Bob, yes they actually do have a "braided" cloth insulation sleeve
> > over the braided copper wire originally.? I think the material is cotton.
> > I would try using shoe laces. You may have to buy a few types to get
> > what you want but I found a tubular type of lace which has an inner
> > tube component on Amazon which is just about perfect for the job.
> >
> > M
> >
> > On Sat., Nov. 11, 2023, 9:48 a.m. Bob Spidell, <bspidell at comcast.net>
> > wrote:
> >
> > I don't think I've seen one covered in cloth.
> >
> >
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> <https://www.amazon.com/BENECREAT-Braided-Flexible-Grounding-Reducing/dp/B0BGX937NC?th=1>
> >
> >
> >
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> >
> > On 11/11/2023 4:59 AM, S and T Miller wrote:
> >> Does anyone know the specifications and/or source of the
> >> distributor low tension cloth covered black wire lead? Interested
> >> in the gauge and type of wire as original, because of the look
> >> and its exceptional flexibility.
> >>
> >> I do realize that there are a few sources for the leads, but I'd
> >> rather have a length to keep on hand to make my own.
> >> TY, Shawn
> >>
> >> The Millers
> >>
> >> "Always drive them, but remember each drive in an antique car is
> >> a test drive."
> >>
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> Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2023 19:47:44 -0500
> From: Michael Salter <michaelsalter at gmail.com>
> To: "healeys at autox.team.net" <healeys at autox.team.net>
> Subject: Re: [Healeys] Low tension wire
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> I must give credit where credit is due.
> The shoe laces idea is one I got from Andy Thorp in New Zealand.
>
> M
>
> On Sat., Nov. 11, 2023, 5:22 p.m. John Vrugtman via Healeys, <
> healeys at autox.team.net> wrote:
>
> > *Now that's perfect example of thinking outside the box; shoe laces for
> > ignition wire covers.*
> >
> > On 11/11/2023 10:19 AM, Michael Salter via Healeys wrote:
> >
> > Bob, yes they actually do have a "braided" cloth insulation sleeve over
> > the braided copper wire originally. I think the material is cotton.
> > I would try using shoe laces. You may have to buy a few types to get what
> > you want but I found a tubular type of lace which has an inner tube
> > component on Amazon which is just about perfect for the job.
> >
> > M
> >
> > On Sat., Nov. 11, 2023, 9:48 a.m. Bob Spidell, <bspidell at comcast.net>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> I don't think I've seen one covered in cloth.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.amazon.com%2FBENECREAT-Braided-Flexible-Grounding-Reducing%2Fdp%2FB0BGX937NC%3Fth%3D1&data=05%7C01%7C%7C692dd86501e9430d22d308dbe3d5667b%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C638354277935599543%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=4CRiiLy5DQxlkTEwJ7XfbKUZc1dGPq4Enw4bdfnBCWo%3D&reserved=0
> <https://www.amazon.com/BENECREAT-Braided-Flexible-Grounding-Reducing/dp/B0BGX937NC?th=1>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.amazon.com%2FBENECREAT-Braided-Flexible-Grounding-Reducing%2Fdp%2FB0BGX937NC%3Fth%3D1&data=05%7C01%7C%7C692dd86501e9430d22d308dbe3d5667b%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C638354277935599543%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=4CRiiLy5DQxlkTEwJ7XfbKUZc1dGPq4Enw4bdfnBCWo%3D&reserved=0
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> >>
> >> On 11/11/2023 4:59 AM, S and T Miller wrote:
> >>
> >> Does anyone know the specifications and/or source of the distributor low
> >> tension cloth covered black wire lead? Interested in the gauge and type
> of
> >> wire as original, because of the look and its exceptional flexibility.
> >>
> >> I do realize that there are a few sources for the leads, but I'd rather
> >> have a length to keep on hand to make my own.
> >> TY, Shawn
> >>
> >> The Millers
> >>
> >> "Always drive them, but remember each drive in an antique car is a test
> >> drive."
> >>
> >>
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> Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2023 20:52:04 -0500
> From: Michael Oritt <michael.oritt at gmail.com>
> To: Bob Spidell <bspidell at comcast.net>
> Cc: healeys at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Healeys] Moss $1300 3.5 ring and pinion
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> "short of putting lard in"
> -------------------------------
> The old trope was that Used Car lots would put sawdust in their cars' rears
> to quiet them down--but I'm not recommending it.
>
> On Sat, Nov 11, 2023 at 9:42?AM Bob Spidell <bspidell at comcast.net> wrote:
>
> > I'm no hexpert, but from what I've seen/heard whiny rear-ends are mostly
> > caused by improper installation or bad break-in--there is a
> > process--although my dad and I installed a Lempert in my BJ8 'by the
> book'
> > and it's a bit noisy (it's only bothersome with the hood up, which isn't
> > often). I've tried thicker, synthetic oil--Redline 75-140--which seemed
> to
> > help a little but short of putting lard in I don't think there's a
> > 'solution in a can.'
> >
> > My dad, who was a factory rep for Ford, told me many/most early Mustangs
> > had noisy diffs, and I can hear my '19 Mustang GT's on occasion. IIRC,
> DWM
> > sells a 3.54, which may very well be what Moss sells.
> >
> >
> > On 11/10/2023 2:41 PM, Peter Svilans wrote:
> >
> > Michael,
> >
> > For what its worth, my '75 Moto Guzzi 850 shaft drive requires 15% Chrome
> > Moly added to the gear oil of the crown and pinion rear drive. Factory
> > spec.
> >
> > Years ago, my 1 liter bottle of MolySlip was $ 46.00 CDN !!
> >
> > Best,
> >
> > Peter
> >
> >
> > On 2023-11-10 12:02 pm, Michael Salter wrote:
> >
> > After seeing the old British Path? movie showing ring and pinion sets
> > being "run in" in a fine grinding paste slurry I'm not surprised that
> > people find the newly made sets a little noisy, as I have with the 3.66/1
> > in my BN1.
> > There are various "mechanic-in-a-can" products out there which are meant
> > to quiet down noisy gears. Wondering if anyone has had success with
> these?
> >
> > M
> >
> > On Fri., Nov. 10, 2023, 11:14 a.m. John Vrugtman via Healeys, <
> > healeys at autox.team.net> wrote:
> >
> > Has anyone had experience with this rather expensive set? I ask,
> > because I have an older set from Limpert that is very noisy and want to
> > replace it.
> >
> > John
> > Hightown, VA
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> Message: 4
> Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2023 08:33:20 -0500
> From: HealeyRick <healeyrik at gmail.com>
> To: Michael Oritt <michael.oritt at gmail.com>
> Cc: Bob Spidell <bspidell at comcast.net>, healeys at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Healeys] Moss $1300 3.5 ring and pinion
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> I thought sawdust was the preferred additive.
>
> On Sat, Nov 11, 2023 at 10:43?PM Michael Oritt <michael.oritt at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > "short of putting lard in"
> > -------------------------------
> > The old trope was that Used Car lots would put sawdust in their cars'
> > rears to quiet them down--but I'm not recommending it.
> >
> > On Sat, Nov 11, 2023 at 9:42?AM Bob Spidell <bspidell at comcast.net>
> wrote:
> >
> >> I'm no hexpert, but from what I've seen/heard whiny rear-ends are mostly
> >> caused by improper installation or bad break-in--there is a
> >> process--although my dad and I installed a Lempert in my BJ8 'by the
> book'
> >> and it's a bit noisy (it's only bothersome with the hood up, which
> isn't
> >> often). I've tried thicker, synthetic oil--Redline 75-140--which seemed
> to
> >> help a little but short of putting lard in I don't think there's a
> >> 'solution in a can.'
> >>
> >> My dad, who was a factory rep for Ford, told me many/most early Mustangs
> >> had noisy diffs, and I can hear my '19 Mustang GT's on occasion. IIRC,
> DWM
> >> sells a 3.54, which may very well be what Moss sells.
> >>
> >>
> >> On 11/10/2023 2:41 PM, Peter Svilans wrote:
> >>
> >> Michael,
> >>
> >> For what its worth, my '75 Moto Guzzi 850 shaft drive requires 15%
> Chrome
> >> Moly added to the gear oil of the crown and pinion rear drive. Factory
> >> spec.
> >>
> >> Years ago, my 1 liter bottle of MolySlip was $ 46.00 CDN !!
> >>
> >> Best,
> >>
> >> Peter
> >>
> >>
> >> On 2023-11-10 12:02 pm, Michael Salter wrote:
> >>
> >> After seeing the old British Path? movie showing ring and pinion sets
> >> being "run in" in a fine grinding paste slurry I'm not surprised that
> >> people find the newly made sets a little noisy, as I have with the
> 3.66/1
> >> in my BN1.
> >> There are various "mechanic-in-a-can" products out there which are meant
> >> to quiet down noisy gears. Wondering if anyone has had success with
> these?
> >>
> >> M
> >>
> >> On Fri., Nov. 10, 2023, 11:14 a.m. John Vrugtman via Healeys, <
> >> healeys at autox.team.net> wrote:
> >>
> >> Has anyone had experience with this rather expensive set? I ask,
> >> because I have an older set from Limpert that is very noisy and want to
> >> replace it.
> >>
> >> John
> >> Hightown, VA
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> Message: 5
> Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2023 13:45:35 -0000
> From: <simon.lachlan at alexarevel.plus.com>
> To: "'Michael Oritt'" <michael.oritt at gmail.com>, "'Bob Spidell'"
> <bspidell at comcast.net>
> Cc: <healeys at autox.team.net>
> Subject: Re: [Healeys] Moss $1300 3.5 ring and pinion
> Message-ID: <002d01da156e$84ec8590$8ec590b0$@alexarevel.plus.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
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> Women?s stockings were reputedly another favourite.
>
>
>
> From: Healeys <healeys-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Michael Oritt
> Sent: 12 November 2023 01:52
> To: Bob Spidell <bspidell at comcast.net>
> Cc: healeys at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Healeys] Moss $1300 3.5 ring and pinion
>
>
>
> "short of putting lard in"
>
> -------------------------------
>
> The old trope was that Used Car lots would put sawdust in their cars'
> rears to quiet them down--but I'm not recommending it.
>
>
>
> On Sat, Nov 11, 2023 at 9:42?AM Bob Spidell <bspidell at comcast.net <
> mailto:bspidell at comcast.net <bspidell at comcast.net>> > wrote:
>
> I'm no hexpert, but from what I've seen/heard whiny rear-ends are mostly
> caused by improper installation or bad break-in--there is a
> process--although my dad and I installed a Lempert in my BJ8 'by the book'
> and it's a bit noisy (it's only bothersome with the hood up, which isn't
> often). I've tried thicker, synthetic oil--Redline 75-140--which seemed to
> help a little but short of putting lard in I don't think there's a
> 'solution in a can.'
>
> My dad, who was a factory rep for Ford, told me many/most early Mustangs
> had noisy diffs, and I can hear my '19 Mustang GT's on occasion. IIRC, DWM
> sells a 3.54, which may very well be what Moss sells.
>
>
>
> On 11/10/2023 2:41 PM, Peter Svilans wrote:
>
> Michael,
>
> For what its worth, my '75 Moto Guzzi 850 shaft drive requires 15% Chrome
> Moly added to the gear oil of the crown and pinion rear drive. Factory
> spec.
>
> Years ago, my 1 liter bottle of MolySlip was $ 46.00 CDN !!
>
> Best,
>
> Peter
>
>
>
> On 2023-11-10 12:02 pm, Michael Salter wrote:
>
> After seeing the old British Path? movie showing ring and pinion sets
> being "run in" in a fine grinding paste slurry I'm not surprised that
> people find the newly made sets a little noisy, as I have with the 3.66/1
> in my BN1.
>
> There are various "mechanic-in-a-can" products out there which are meant
> to quiet down noisy gears. Wondering if anyone has had success with these?
>
>
>
> M
>
>
>
> On Fri., Nov. 10, 2023, 11:14 a.m. John Vrugtman via Healeys, <
> healeys at autox.team.net <mailto:healeys at autox.team.net
> <healeys at autox.team.net>> > wrote:
>
> Has anyone had experience with this rather expensive set? I ask,
> because I have an older set from Limpert that is very noisy and want to
> replace it.
>
> John
> Hightown, VA
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> Message: 6
> Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2023 18:16:04 +0000
> From: john spaur <jmsdarch at sbcglobal.net>
> To: HealeyRick <healeyrik at gmail.com>, Michael Oritt
> <michael.oritt at gmail.com>
> Cc: "healeys at autox.team.net" <healeys at autox.team.net>
> Subject: Re: [Healeys] Moss $1300 3.5 ring and pinion
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> Many years ago I had a friend who said he used a mixture of banana peels
> and sawdust. I am not sure what the ratio was but you could Stat with a
> 50/50 mix. ???
>
> ________________________________
> From: Healeys <healeys-bounces at autox.team.net> on behalf of HealeyRick <
> healeyrik at gmail.com>
> Sent: Sunday, November 12, 2023 5:33:20 AM
> To: Michael Oritt <michael.oritt at gmail.com>
> Cc: healeys at autox.team.net <healeys at autox.team.net>
> Subject: Re: [Healeys] Moss $1300 3.5 ring and pinion
>
> I thought sawdust was the preferred additive.
>
> On Sat, Nov 11, 2023 at 10:43?PM Michael Oritt <michael.oritt at gmail.com
> <mailto:michael.oritt at gmail.com>> wrote:
> "short of putting lard in"
> -------------------------------
> The old trope was that Used Car lots would put sawdust in their cars'
> rears to quiet them down--but I'm not recommending it.
>
> On Sat, Nov 11, 2023 at 9:42?AM Bob Spidell <bspidell at comcast.net<mailto:
> bspidell at comcast.net>> wrote:
> I'm no hexpert, but from what I've seen/heard whiny rear-ends are mostly
> caused by improper installation or bad break-in--there is a
> process--although my dad and I installed a Lempert in my BJ8 'by the book'
> and it's a bit noisy (it's only bothersome with the hood up, which isn't
> often). I've tried thicker, synthetic oil--Redline 75-140--which seemed to
> help a little but short of putting lard in I don't think there's a
> 'solution in a can.'
>
> My dad, who was a factory rep for Ford, told me many/most early Mustangs
> had noisy diffs, and I can hear my '19 Mustang GT's on occasion. IIRC, DWM
> sells a 3.54, which may very well be what Moss sells.
>
>
> On 11/10/2023 2:41 PM, Peter Svilans wrote:
>
> Michael,
>
> For what its worth, my '75 Moto Guzzi 850 shaft drive requires 15% Chrome
> Moly added to the gear oil of the crown and pinion rear drive. Factory
> spec.
>
> Years ago, my 1 liter bottle of MolySlip was $ 46.00 CDN !!
>
> Best,
>
> Peter
>
>
> On 2023-11-10 12:02 pm, Michael Salter wrote:
>
> After seeing the old British Path? movie showing ring and pinion sets
> being "run in" in a fine grinding paste slurry I'm not surprised that
> people find the newly made sets a little noisy, as I have with the 3.66/1
> in my BN1.
> There are various "mechanic-in-a-can" products out there which are meant
> to quiet down noisy gears. Wondering if anyone has had success with these?
>
> M
>
> On Fri., Nov. 10, 2023, 11:14 a.m. John Vrugtman via Healeys, <
> healeys at autox.team.net<mailto:healeys at autox.team.net>> wrote:
> Has anyone had experience with this rather expensive set? I ask,
> because I have an older set from Limpert that is very noisy and want to
> replace it.
>
> John
> Hightown, VA
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