[Healeys] Counterfeit Numbers

gradea1 at charter.net gradea1 at charter.net
Tue Aug 16 14:16:13 MDT 2022


Why bother to re-stamp-if you need some cockpit surrounds and door
trim here is a whole pile that was for sale when "S replica"
manufacturer went belly up. Even easier to make up an "authentic M".
Hank

	-----------------------------------------From: "Curtis Arndt" 
To: "HealeyRick"
Cc: "Healeys"
Sent: Tuesday August 16 2022 10:04:23AM
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Counterfeit Numbers

 Rick, 
 I posted about this exact subject in comment on the first 100M made
that was for sale recently on BaT. 
 If one was willing to invest several thousands of dollars on a new
set of spot on body stamps, you'd be off to a good start. Several of
us researched having a set of body number stamps made up, but we
decided the cost $5K+ wasn't worth the effort... Duh, we weren't
making counterfeit Ms! However if you were, it might be worth the
effort and expense. 
 Just recently, a person in Washington state was selling ALL of the
items needed for an M, e..g., original louvered bonnet, original AUC
6040 AA or X carburetors and manifolds, original numbered and dated
distributor, etc...  
 So with the stamps, the aforementioned parts, then find a clapped out
BN2 cheap. Then find Factory 100M numbers that are currently not in
use (scrapped years ago) and request a heritage certificate. Rebuild
the car, have it judged Concours and get a Bill Meade certificate. 
 Renumber the boot, bonnet and splash apron. Weld in the old numbers
on the cockpit trim, grind and sand smooth, and renumber. EASIER said
than done, the trim warps like nobody's business under welding heat,
plus you'll need to use old trim aluminum as a welding rod so the
color matches and you can't see a ghosting of the old numbers.To me
this is the hardest part, and NOT cheap. 
 Now this won't be cheap as the number stamps, parts and welding would
cost north of $20K+. However, given Factory 100M premiums, it's
possibly worth the effort. Folks have worked harder to scam for less.
Just my 2 cents.  
 -Curt 

 On Tue, Aug 16, 2022 at 8:41 AM HealeyRick  wrote:
  In watching various auctions of high-end Healeys, particularly Ms, I
read opinions that it would be very difficult to counterfeit all the
identifying numbers on a Healey. My question for the better informed
would it really be that difficult to get dies made up to punch
realistic numbers, grind off the old numbers on the trim pieces and
body panels and make up some ID plates? If cars are worth over $150k,
I would think it would be a relatively small investment in tooling and
with all the scanning equipment we have now, I can't see it being that
difficult. 
 Don't worry, not asking for a friend. 
 Rick Neville  _______________________________________________
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