[Healeys] Healeys Digest, Vol 13, Issue 404
george mcharris
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Thu Nov 12 14:59:42 MST 2020
Healeys Rough Running
Hook up a 4" dia tube like the one used on the heater to draw air in on the carb side of the engine and point it so it blows air cross the float bowls. ( even warm air (should be enough to eliminate the vapor lock). and install a 4" dia axial flow fan in the tube ( avaiiable at boat shops used as a bildge pump fan).
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1. Re: Flywheel removal (WILLIAM B LAWRENCE)
2. Re: Flywheel removal (Alan Seigrist)
3. Re: Flywheel removal (Tom Felts)
4. Re: Flywheel removal (Bob Spidell)
5. Rough running (Keith Pennell)
6. Re: Flywheel removal (Steven Kingsbury)
7. Re: Rough running (WILLIAM B LAWRENCE)
8. Re: Rough running (Charlie Baldwin)
9. Re: Rough running (Bob Spidell)
10. Re: Rough running (Richard Collins)
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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2020 22:57:09 +0000
From: WILLIAM B LAWRENCE <ynotink at msn.com>
To: Kees Oudesluijs via Healeys <healeys at autox.team.net>, Kees
Oudesluijs <coudesluijs at chello.nl>
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Flywheel removal
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If the engine has been rebuilt or built for increased performance it may have been statically balanced. If so the flywheel should be replaced in the same position as it may have had weight added or removed to match other components during the process.
Bill Lawrence
BN1 #554
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Subject: Re: [Healeys] Flywheel removal
No, the flywheel does nothing to trigger the ignition. Make sure though that you replace it in the same position you took it off (mark with centre punch or permanent marker). If you do not this you may upset the balance if the crankshaft, as in properly rebuild engines the crankshaft is balanced with the flywheel and clutch assembly fitted.
Kees Oudesluijs
Op 11-11-2020 om 17:01 schreef Tom Felts via Healeys:
If I remove and replace the flywheel in the exact location that it was removed am I disturbing anything like timing or ??
Thanks
tom
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Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2020 08:51:57 +0800
From: Alan Seigrist <healey.nut at gmail.com>
To: Steven Kingsbury <airtightproductions at icloud.com>
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Subject: Re: [Healeys] Flywheel removal
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Steven -
Well you should know that the effective freeze plug operation depends
entirely on perfect alignment of the flywheel ring. Check the workshop
manual.
Cheers ;P ,
Alan
On Thu, Nov 12, 2020 at 12:36 AM Steven Kingsbury via Healeys <
healeys at autox.team.net> wrote:
> Not an expert on this, but I just did it with my engine, and to tell you
> the truth, I'm not even sure if I got it back in the exact same position,
> but my engine fired up and ran. And about five minutes in, it blew a freeze
> plug, but that's another story and totally my fault. Good luck!
> Steven Kingsbury
> BN1
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Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2020 07:21:19 -0500 (EST)
From: Tom Felts <tomfelts at windstream.net>
To: warthodson at aol.com
Cc: healeys at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Flywheel removal
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Thanks--I'm removing it to access the aftermarket oil seal that I think is leaking. I found a small puddle of oil on the floor in that approximate area and could find no other source of the leak.Tom
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Subject: Re: [Healeys] Flywheel removal
No, you are not, but it might be informative to know why you are removing it!
Gary
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Subject: [Healeys] Flywheel removal
If I remove and replace the flywheel in the exact location that it was removed am I disturbing anything like timing or ??
Thankstom
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Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2020 07:02:52 -0800
From: Bob Spidell <bspidell at comcast.net>
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If it's not (relatively) new, I recommend replacing the front seal on
the gearbox--inside the bellhousing--while you have the gearbox out. Oh,
and check your release 'bearing.'
Bob
On 11/12/2020 4:21 AM, Tom Felts via Healeys wrote:
> Thanks--I'm removing it to access the aftermarket oil seal that I
> think is leaking.? I found a small puddle of oil on the floor in that
> approximate area and could find no other source of the leak.
>
> Tom
>
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> To: healeys at autox.team.net
> Sent: Wed, 11 Nov 2020 11:08:32 -0500 (EST)
> Subject: Re: [Healeys] Flywheel removal
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> No, you are not, but it might be informative to know why you are
> removing it!
> Gary
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> From: Tom Felts via Healeys <healeys at autox.team.net>
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> To: healeys <healeys at autox.team.net>
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> Sent: Wed, Nov 11, 2020 10:01 am
>
> Subject: [Healeys] Flywheel removal
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> If I remove and replace the flywheel in the exact location that it was
> removed am I disturbing anything like timing or ??
>
> Thanks
> tom
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Message: 5
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2020 15:26:43 +0000 (UTC)
From: Keith Pennell <llennep at verizon.net>
To: "healeys at autox.team.net" <healeys at autox.team.net>
Subject: [Healeys] Rough running
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Two days ago I took the BJ8 out for its every-four-month exercise. ?Just as before it ran beautifully for the first 8 or so miles then began to develop a miss. ?Temp gauge around 180 and ambient temp 80-82 F. ?When I stopped for some photo taking it would not restart (as I was afraid it would). ?Temp gauge above 220. ?After a 20 minute cooling off and allowing the temp to drop below 200 it reluctantly restarted, still with a miss, and I hurried on home.Any thoughts on what is the cause of this behavior? ?
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Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2020 16:05:15 -0000
From: Steven Kingsbury <airtightproductions at icloud.com>
To: Alan Seigrist <healey.nut at gmail.com>
Cc: Tom Felts <tomfelts at windstream.net>, Healey list
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Subject: Re: [Healeys] Flywheel removal
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Well I guess we'll/I'll find out this weekend then for sure as I replaced the freeze plug, but I also had a leaky block drain plug that could have been caused by the improper alignment. Or it could have just been operator error when I smacked the freeze plug in place rather than whacked it in place.?
???Or can you say: "leg pull"? Thanks Alan.
Steven?
On November 11, 2020 at 4:52 PM, Alan Seigrist <healey.nut at gmail.com> wrote:
Steven -
Well you should know that the effective freeze plug operation depends entirely on perfect alignment of the flywheel ring.? Check the workshop manual.
Cheers ;P ,
Alan
On Thu, Nov 12, 2020 at 12:36 AM Steven Kingsbury via Healeys <healeys at autox.team.net> wrote:
Not an expert on this, but I just did it with my engine, and to tell you the truth, I'm not even sure if I got it back in the exact same position, but my engine fired up and ran. And about five minutes in, it blew a freeze plug, but that's another story and totally my fault. Good luck!
Steven Kingsbury
BN1?
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Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2020 16:12:29 +0000
From: WILLIAM B LAWRENCE <ynotink at msn.com>
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Subject: Re: [Healeys] Rough running
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Sounds like the standard, factory correct Healey vapor lock. When the engine is turned off residual heat soaks out of the engine and boils the fuel in the float bowls. Try cooling the float bowls with a spray of water or a wet rag. If that solves it you know the problem, although not necessarily the solution.
Bill Lawrence
BN1 #554
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Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2020 3:26 PM
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Subject: [Healeys] Rough running
Two days ago I took the BJ8 out for its every-four-month exercise. Just as before it ran beautifully for the first 8 or so miles then began to develop a miss. Temp gauge around 180 and ambient temp 80-82 F. When I stopped for some photo taking it would not restart (as I was afraid it would). Temp gauge above 220. After a 20 minute cooling off and allowing the temp to drop below 200 it reluctantly restarted, still with a miss, and I hurried on home.
Any thoughts on what is the cause of this behavior?
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Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2020 11:25:25 -0500
From: Charlie Baldwin <mgcharlie at comcast.net>
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Subject: Re: [Healeys] Rough running
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Keith,
Did you happen to feel the coil after it acted up?? if it is that, it
will be very hot, so be careful to avoid burning your hand.
Charlie
On 11/12/2020 10:26 AM, Keith Pennell via Healeys wrote:
> Two days ago I took the BJ8 out for its every-four-month exercise.
> ?Just as before it ran beautifully for the first 8 or so miles then
> began to develop a miss. ?Temp gauge around 180 and ambient temp 80-82
> F. ?When I stopped for some photo taking it would not restart (as I
> was afraid it would). ?Temp gauge above 220. ?After a 20 minute
> cooling off and allowing the temp to drop below 200 it reluctantly
> restarted, still with a miss, and I hurried on home.
> Any thoughts on what is the cause of this behavior?
>
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Message: 9
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2020 08:49:24 -0800
From: Bob Spidell <bspidell at comcast.net>
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Yup. My BJ8 does the same, but I haven't driven the BN2 enough to say it
does too (I presume it does/will).
You said 'would not restart,' as in it would crank, but not fire, or
wouldn't crank? When a marginal starter gets heat-soaked they often
won't crank the engine as fast which, of course, makes starting more
difficult. Same with a heat-soaked, marginal fuel pump; it might not
pump well enough to (at least partly) overcome cavitation in the fuel line.
Bob
On 11/12/2020 8:12 AM, WILLIAM B LAWRENCE via Healeys wrote:
> Sounds like the standard, factory correct Healey vapor lock. When the
> engine is turned off residual heat soaks out of the engine and boils
> the fuel in the float bowls. Try cooling the float bowls with a spray
> of water or a wet rag. If that solves it you know the problem,
> although not necessarily the solution.
>
> Bill Lawrence
> BN1 #554
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> *From:* Healeys <healeys-bounces at autox.team.net> on behalf of Keith
> Pennell via Healeys <healeys at autox.team.net>
> *Sent:* Thursday, November 12, 2020 3:26 PM
> *To:* healeys at autox.team.net <healeys at autox.team.net>
> *Subject:* [Healeys] Rough running
> Two days ago I took the BJ8 out for its every-four-month exercise.
> ?Just as before it ran beautifully for the first 8 or so miles then
> began to develop a miss. ?Temp gauge around 180 and ambient temp 80-82
> F. ?When I stopped for some photo taking it would not restart (as I
> was afraid it would). ?Temp gauge above 220. ?After a 20 minute
> cooling off and allowing the temp to drop below 200 it reluctantly
> restarted, still with a miss, and I hurried on home.
> Any thoughts on what is the cause of this behavior?
>
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Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2020 16:55:54 +0000
From: Richard Collins <gonnagitcha90 at hotmail.com>
To: Charlie Baldwin <mgcharlie at comcast.net>
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Vapor lock;
Mine starts at 195 on the gauge during warm weather with heat sink to 200+ when shut down to cool. About 20 minutes and it runs again.
I wrapped fuel lines but haven?t installed the heat shield I?ve had for many years.
Hence I rarely drive it in mid summer here in KY
Regards,
Richard C
BN7 440
On Nov 12, 2020, at 10:38, Charlie Baldwin <mgcharlie at comcast.net> wrote:
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Keith,
Did you happen to feel the coil after it acted up? if it is that, it will be very hot, so be careful to avoid burning your hand.
Charlie
On 11/12/2020 10:26 AM, Keith Pennell via Healeys wrote:
Two days ago I took the BJ8 out for its every-four-month exercise. Just as before it ran beautifully for the first 8 or so miles then began to develop a miss. Temp gauge around 180 and ambient temp 80-82 F. When I stopped for some photo taking it would not restart (as I was afraid it would). Temp gauge above 220. After a 20 minute cooling off and allowing the temp to drop below 200 it reluctantly restarted, still with a miss, and I hurried on home.
Any thoughts on what is the cause of this behavior?
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