[Healeys] BJ8 at RM Hershey auction
i erbs
eyera3000 at gmail.com
Tue Oct 16 11:30:53 MDT 2018
BT7 3000s did not have the # stamped on the shock towers.
Ira Erbs
Portland,OR
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On Tue, Oct 16, 2018 at 10:07 AM Charlie Baldwin <mgcharlie at comcast.net>
wrote:
> From what I understand, earlier 3000s have a number stamped there, but it
> doesn't match any other other number on the car, but BJ8s do have the
> chassis number there.
>
> On 10/15/2018 8:06 PM, Curtis Arndt wrote:
>
> So Charlie,
>
> Yes, 3000s should have the chassis number stamped on the right front shock
> tower.
>
> To be clear, Phase I BJ8's (1964) looked very similar to BJ7's. They had
> *glass* "Beehive" front parking/side and rear stop lights, reflectors,
> the pull versus the push-button door handles and the lower rear axle. They
> DID have the wood dash and of course the larger engine making them BJ8s not
> BJ7s.
>
> Here's a nice example in Black w/red interior...
>
> https://www.erclassics.com/austin-healey-3000-bj8-1964-a0747/#lg=1&slide=13
>
> Now Phase II BJ8's came in a number of variations. When they first came
> out in 1964-5 they now had the single plastic lights front and rear with
> the reflectors, the jacked up rear end, and push button door handles.
>
> Here's another nice example in Black w/red interior...
>
>
> https://rmsothebys.com/en/auctions/mo17/auction/lots/r169-1964-austin-healey-3000-mk-iii-bj8-phase-ii
>
> In '66 and '67 we have the final version with all plastic lights, two
> front and two rear.
>
> One final example in Black over Red w/ a red interior...
>
> https://www.tradeuniquecars.com.au/detail/austinhealey-3000-544721
>
> This should clear things up.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Curt
>
> On Mon, Oct 15, 2018 at 3:49 PM Charlie Baldwin <mgcharlie at comcast.net>
> wrote:
>
>> So Curt, you may be saying that this car does not match what a car with
>> that chassis number should look like. Don't BJ8s have the chassis number
>> stamped on the right front shock mount? So it may be titled with the wrong
>> chassis number. That is a greater concern to me than being the wrong color
>> or having poorly fitting seat covers. The poorly stamped chassis number
>> plate could be part of the issue also.
>>
>> When I saw it on the screen when it came up for auction, I thought that
>> it probably isn't really a '65 due to the double parking/ts lights. Then I
>> figured it was just an error on the year they put on the title. But this
>> is much more serious an issue since the chassis number does not indicate it
>> is a Phase 2 BJ8, when it definitely looks like one.
>>
>> Charlie
>>
>> On 10/15/2018 1:04 PM, Curtis Arndt wrote:
>>
>> FWIW...
>>
>> Obviously, there are some issues with this car.
>>
>> Regarding the seats, I agree, the fit is terrible and that also brings up
>> another issue in that the vast majority of US delivered convertibles came
>> with vinyl interiors, and it was a very rare option to have leather seats.
>> I don't know the percentage off the top of my head, but it may have been
>> less than 5%. I will check.
>>
>> <Leather on BJ8’s was an option on home market cars (England). Very few
>> original American LHD BJ8 have been observed with leather seats -- “Leather
>> trim for seats, armrest and rear folding squabs” was listed as an
>> available option for BJ8's.>
>>
>> For me the biggest potential issue is that this car is supposedly a 1965
>> (chassis no. *30659*), and as such it would have had the single plastic
>> side lights up front and also in the rear, with reflectors instead of the
>> second set of amber plastic turn signal lights?
>>
>> From the 2018 Guidelines...
>>
>> <BJ8s from Car No. 26705 have a single front parking/turn flasher unit
>> with a white plastic lens that is larger and flatter in profile (Lucas
>> type 692), up through Phase II BJ8 (C) *31337* (B) 76137.
>>
>> Rear combination tail/turn signal/brake lights with a single
>> beehive-shaped red lens, on the fender just above the bumper, were used on
>> all Healeys up to Phase II BJ8 Car No. *31336* (B) 76138 (type 594 on
>> 100-6 and 3000s to c. 26704). With that car, the upper reflectors were
>> replaced with separate turn-signal lights (with a larger body fairing) and
>> amber plastic lenses and the lower lights were replaced with tail/brake
>> lights with red plastic lenses. Both upper and lower lights on these
>> later cars were Lucas type 692 through the end of production.>
>>
>> Did anyone else notice in the very first photo the right front wing wheel
>> opening? The metal work looks a bit inconsistent and the opening is not
>> consistently round? Compare to the right rear wheel opening. Maybe it's
>> the angle of the photo, I don't know? The left front opening looks much
>> better.
>>
>> All this said, it's easy to pick a car apart and overall, any criticisms
>> can be repaired, albeit at a cost, but then the high bid of $67.5K may
>> reflect these observations. It is an overall good looking car none the
>> less, even with its flaws.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Curt
>>
>> On Mon, Oct 15, 2018 at 8:45 AM Charlie Baldwin <mgcharlie at comcast.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Steve, I'm glad you have it in the registry.
>>> Someone told me on Saturday at the Hershey car show that it was restored
>>> there, but I didn't know for sure, so didn't want to credit/blame them.
>>> It appears that leather seat covers were installed, but not very well as
>>> someone else mentioned.
>>>
>>>
>>> > On October 15, 2018 at 9:11 AM BJ8Healeys <sbyers at ec.rr.com> wrote:
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Charlie Baldwin: strange that I never received your original message
>>> via the list (yet).
>>> >
>>> > Yes, I have the car in the registry. One previous owner recorded in
>>> New Hampshire (AHCA member 1990 - 1999), then restoration by Knut Holzer's
>>> BMC Classics in April 2008.
>>> >
>>> > Steve Byers
>>> > HBJ8L/36666
>>> > BJ8 Registry
>>> > AHCA Delegate at Large
>>> > Havelock, NC
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > -----Original Message-----
>>> > From: Healeys [mailto:healeys-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of
>>> Bob Spidell
>>> > Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2018 12:44 PM
>>> > To: healeys at autox.team.net
>>> > Subject: Re: [Healeys] BJ8 at RM Hershey auction
>>> >
>>> > Not MGB, but 'champagne.' Was that an original color? This one came
>>> > from the factory in white; maybe that's why it didn't sell?
>>> >
>>> > Not the best seat upholstery I've seen, and is the shift lever bent,
>>> or
>>> > is it an illusion? And the fluid reservoir spoils an otherwise nice
>>> > engine bay presentation. Nice car, nonetheless.
>>> >
>>> > Bob
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On 10/14/2018 8:17 AM, Charlie Baldwin wrote:
>>> > > Here is a Metallic Golden Beige BJ8 that was in the auction, but
>>> > > apparently didn't make reserve. I think the hammer price was
>>> > > $67,500. Comments anyone? Steve Byers, is this one in your
>>> register?
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> https://rmsothebys.com/en/auctions/hf18/hershey/lots/r0137-1965-austin-healey-3000-mk-iii-bj8/721386
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> >
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