[Healeys] BJ8 at RM Hershey auction
Charlie Baldwin
mgcharlie at comcast.net
Tue Oct 16 16:19:30 MDT 2018
My BT7 Mk. II has a number on the shock tower, but it isn't the chassis
number.
On 10/16/2018 1:30 PM, i erbs wrote:
> BT7 3000s did not have the # stamped on the shock towers.
>
> Ira Erbs
> Portland,OR
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> On Tue, Oct 16, 2018 at 10:07 AM Charlie Baldwin
> <mgcharlie at comcast.net <mailto:mgcharlie at comcast.net>> wrote:
>
> From what I understand, earlier 3000s have a number stamped there,
> but it doesn't match any other other number on the car, but BJ8s
> do have the chassis number there.
>
>
> On 10/15/2018 8:06 PM, Curtis Arndt wrote:
>> So Charlie,
>>
>> Yes, 3000s should have the chassis number stamped on the right
>> front shock tower.
>>
>> To be clear, Phase I BJ8's (1964) looked very similar to BJ7's.
>> They had _glass_ "Beehive" front parking/side and rear stop
>> lights, reflectors, the pull versus the push-button door handles
>> and the lower rear axle. They DID have the wood dash and of
>> course the larger engine making them BJ8s not BJ7s.
>>
>> Here's a nice example in Black w/red interior...
>>
>> https://www.erclassics.com/austin-healey-3000-bj8-1964-a0747/#lg=1&slide=13
>>
>> Now Phase II BJ8's came in a number of variations. When they
>> first came out in 1964-5 they now had the single plastic lights
>> front and rear with the reflectors, the jacked up rear end, and
>> push button door handles.
>>
>> Here's another nice example in Black w/red interior...
>>
>> https://rmsothebys.com/en/auctions/mo17/auction/lots/r169-1964-austin-healey-3000-mk-iii-bj8-phase-ii
>>
>> In '66 and '67 we have the final version with all plastic lights,
>> two front and two rear.
>>
>> One final example in Black over Red w/ a red interior...
>>
>> https://www.tradeuniquecars.com.au/detail/austinhealey-3000-544721
>>
>> This should clear things up.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Curt
>>
>> On Mon, Oct 15, 2018 at 3:49 PM Charlie Baldwin
>> <mgcharlie at comcast.net <mailto:mgcharlie at comcast.net>> wrote:
>>
>> So Curt, you may be saying that this car does not match what
>> a car with that chassis number should look like. Don't BJ8s
>> have the chassis number stamped on the right front shock
>> mount? So it may be titled with the wrong chassis number.
>> That is a greater concern to me than being the wrong color or
>> having poorly fitting seat covers. The poorly stamped
>> chassis number plate could be part of the issue also.
>>
>> When I saw it on the screen when it came up for auction, I
>> thought that it probably isn't really a '65 due to the double
>> parking/ts lights. Then I figured it was just an error on
>> the year they put on the title. But this is much more
>> serious an issue since the chassis number does not indicate
>> it is a Phase 2 BJ8, when it definitely looks like one.
>>
>> Charlie
>>
>>
>> On 10/15/2018 1:04 PM, Curtis Arndt wrote:
>>> FWIW...
>>>
>>> Obviously, there are some issues with this car.
>>>
>>> Regarding the seats, I agree, the fit is terrible and that
>>> also brings up another issue in that the vast majority of US
>>> delivered convertibles came with vinyl interiors, and it was
>>> a very rare option to have leather seats. I don't know the
>>> percentage off the top of my head, but it may have been less
>>> than 5%. I will check.
>>>
>>> <Leather on BJ8’s was an option on home market cars
>>> (England). Very few original American LHD BJ8 have been
>>> observed with leather seats -- “Leather trim for seats,
>>> armrest and rear folding squabs” was listed as an available
>>> option for BJ8's.>
>>>
>>> For me the biggest potential issue is that this car is
>>> supposedly a 1965 (chassis no. _30659_), and as such it
>>> would have had the single plastic side lights up front and
>>> also in the rear, with reflectors instead of the second set
>>> of amber plastic turn signal lights?
>>>
>>> From the 2018 Guidelines...
>>>
>>> <BJ8s from Car No. 26705 have a single front parking/turn
>>> flasher unit with a white plastic lens that is larger and
>>> flatter in profile (Lucas type 692), up through Phase II BJ8
>>> (C) _31337_ (B) 76137.
>>>
>>> Rear combination tail/turn signal/brake lights with a single
>>> beehive-shaped red lens, on the fender just above the
>>> bumper, were used on all Healeys up to Phase II BJ8 Car No.
>>> _31336_ (B) 76138 (type 594 on 100-6 and 3000s to c.
>>> 26704). With that car, the upper reflectors were replaced
>>> with separate turn-signal lights (with a larger body
>>> fairing) and amber plastic lenses and the lower lights were
>>> replaced with tail/brake lights with red plastic lenses.
>>> Both upper and lower lights on these later cars were Lucas
>>> type 692 through the end of production.>
>>> Did anyone else notice in the very first photo the right
>>> front wing wheel opening? The metal work looks a bit
>>> inconsistent and the opening is not consistently round?
>>> Compare to the right rear wheel opening. Maybe it's the
>>> angle of the photo, I don't know? The left front opening
>>> looks much better.
>>>
>>> All this said, it's easy to pick a car apart and overall,
>>> any criticisms can be repaired, albeit at a cost, but then
>>> the high bid of $67.5K may reflect these observations. It is
>>> an overall good looking car none the less, even with its flaws.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>> Curt
>>>
>>> On Mon, Oct 15, 2018 at 8:45 AM Charlie Baldwin
>>> <mgcharlie at comcast.net <mailto:mgcharlie at comcast.net>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Steve, I'm glad you have it in the registry.
>>> Someone told me on Saturday at the Hershey car show that
>>> it was restored there, but I didn't know for sure, so
>>> didn't want to credit/blame them.
>>> It appears that leather seat covers were installed, but
>>> not very well as someone else mentioned.
>>>
>>>
>>> > On October 15, 2018 at 9:11 AM BJ8Healeys
>>> <sbyers at ec.rr.com <mailto:sbyers at ec.rr.com>> wrote:
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Charlie Baldwin: strange that I never received your
>>> original message via the list (yet).
>>> >
>>> > Yes, I have the car in the registry. One previous
>>> owner recorded in New Hampshire (AHCA member 1990 -
>>> 1999), then restoration by Knut Holzer's BMC Classics in
>>> April 2008.
>>> >
>>> > Steve Byers
>>> > HBJ8L/36666
>>> > BJ8 Registry
>>> > AHCA Delegate at Large
>>> > Havelock, NC
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > -----Original Message-----
>>> > From: Healeys [mailto:healeys-bounces at autox.team.net
>>> <mailto:healeys-bounces at autox.team.net>] On Behalf Of
>>> Bob Spidell
>>> > Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2018 12:44 PM
>>> > To: healeys at autox.team.net <mailto:healeys at autox.team.net>
>>> > Subject: Re: [Healeys] BJ8 at RM Hershey auction
>>> >
>>> > Not MGB, but 'champagne.' Was that an original
>>> color? This one came
>>> > from the factory in white; maybe that's why it didn't
>>> sell?
>>> >
>>> > Not the best seat upholstery I've seen, and is the
>>> shift lever bent, or
>>> > is it an illusion? And the fluid reservoir spoils an
>>> otherwise nice
>>> > engine bay presentation. Nice car, nonetheless.
>>> >
>>> > Bob
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On 10/14/2018 8:17 AM, Charlie Baldwin wrote:
>>> > > Here is a Metallic Golden Beige BJ8 that was in the
>>> auction, but
>>> > > apparently didn't make reserve. I think the hammer
>>> price was
>>> > > $67,500. Comments anyone? Steve Byers, is this one
>>> in your register?
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> https://rmsothebys.com/en/auctions/hf18/hershey/lots/r0137-1965-austin-healey-3000-mk-iii-bj8/721386
>>>
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> >
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